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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019 5:47AM

    Pretty cool brockage!

    I wonder if anyone can guess the date of this coin ?

    I can't narrow it down further than 1840 - 1859.
    I don't see a mint mark or any die cracks to help provide a date.
    Is there something you see on it which helps?

    P.S. I have seen your registry set at NGC and you have some very nice half dimes.

  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @toyonakataro said:

    I wonder if anyone can guess the date of this coin ?

    I would guess 1857.

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    Someone was trying to make two quarter dimes?
    I have seen pieces of half dimes which apparently were used as small change.

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    @Insider2 said:

    Someone was trying to make two quarter dimes?
    I have seen pieces of half dimes which apparently were used as small change.

    Well...... half-half-dime

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a die struck C/f that the dealer mutilated before giving me a bunch of counterfeits. I've got three more like it somewhere.

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    This is a die struck C/f that the dealer mutilated before giving me a bunch of counterfeits. I've got three more like it somewhere.

    Why would a dealer do that?!?

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BustDMs said:

    @toyonakataro said:

    I wonder if anyone can guess the date of this coin ?

    I would guess 1857.

    Could be. It does seem to have some flatness in the dentils, like is common on 1856 and 1857.
    But it could also be due to wear.

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SkyMan said:



    You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?



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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:

    @SkyMan said:



    You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?



    Die clashes

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:
    You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?



    @Kliao said:
    Die clashes

    Right! Thank you @Kliao

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019 7:15PM

    @SkyMan said:

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:
    You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?

    As you suggest, the die clashes are often visible in many places:

    • M in lap and E under elbow / pole
    • > head < on either side of head
    • line from base of Ms. Liberty under STATES (sometimes the date shows up here, too)
    • diagonal line through F M of HALF DIME from the right side of Ms. Liberty

    I also recognize this very nice 1858-O as the V-5 die pair:

    • horizontal cracks from stars 5 and 9 to dentils
    • reverse cracks at top left of R to dentils, and top of last A in AMERICA to dentils

    At R-3 the V-5 is the most common of the 10 known die pairs.

  • MathandBikesMathandBikes Posts: 31 ✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019 9:05PM

    This is certainly top 5 for my favorite coins in my type set. I like the look in hand even better than the TV but unfortunately I have no coin photoing skills.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019 10:32PM


    Definitely a nice one.
    It is also the plate coin for the V-6u (R-6) die pair in my 1847 half dime attribution guide!
    In a later die state (V-6ua), the reverse develops a crack from U into the wreath, all the way through the A in STATES, which is the third of three 1847 cracked reverses described by Stephen Crain in his 2015 article.
    https://sites.google.com/view/clintcummins/half-dime-attribution-guide

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 17, 2019 5:28AM

    @yosclimber said:

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:






    Beautiful coins on here, as usual. Just picked up my first half dime for my type set, 20 full years into collecting. This example is AU58 PCGS & CAC, and the beautiful toning caught my eye while the non-MS grade kept the price within my budget.

    Nice one.
    I recognize it as the V-8 die pair, based on the obverse rim cud / chip from K3 to K7, repunched star 3,
    reverse cracks at F, M, I2 and long dentils under bow.
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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 17, 2019 2:00PM

    @REALGATOR said:

    The infamous "Coin without a Country"! (Ditto for the 1859 and the dime versions).
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/980840/1860-h10c-coin-without-a-country-gfrc
    I counted 38 different coins from this die pair in auction photos when I made the 1860 guide.
    I don't recognize this one, but that's no surprise - many of those in auctions only appeared once,
    so they tend to be held long term.
    It's a good survival rate from the 100 minted, probably because they went directly to collectors
    and people took good care of them because they knew the rarity / value.

  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    Yes, she used to mine, in a moment of weakness I had to set her free. We parted ways earlier this year in Denver.

    She will be treated like a queen, @oih82w8

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