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Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This early 19th Century quarter is harshly cleaned! >:)

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019 1:45PM

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Looks like it's had some detail "enhancements" too.

    LOL. You are going to be banned from my posts! :p

    Here is an image of the stars. Moral: Look closely at your coins!

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You should have made this one of your micro-quizzes!

    Collector, occasional seller

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    dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yikes! Nice screwdriver!


    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, but some are calling me a know-it-all! :'(

    IMO, folks learn more when they need to think. Good training to keep their eyes open for other things/EVERYTHING to see on a coin. :)

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Looks like it's had some detail "enhancements" too.

    LOL. You are going to be banned from my posts! :p

    Here is an image of the stars. Moral: Look closely at your coins!

    The stars are just the beginning
    Hair and clasp heavily engraved

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dang! LOL

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone spent a lot of time on this carving project. I guess someone might appreciate the "artful restoration".

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @REALGATOR said:
    Someone spent a lot of time on this carving project. I guess someone might appreciate the "artful restoration".

    Looks like whoever did it was very skilled, a bit messy on the stars though.

    Collector, occasional seller

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Remember when the clasp was the grading point?

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Trying for another one of these? LOL! :D

    Nice post & great information! :)

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is the new enhanced finish that no one really knows about

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019 2:32PM

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Trying for another one of these? LOL! :D

    Nice post & great information! :)

    Why was his other thread closed (Old way to "camouflage" a counterfeit coin)? Most of the time it's obvious why a thread is closed but the one that was just closed has me baffled.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That almost qualifies as a hobo "nickel".

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tooled - don't be fooled! :)

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @REALGATOR said:
    Someone spent a lot of time on this carving project. I guess someone might appreciate the "artful restoration".

    This is better than usual job. I've seen copper and Trade dollars with just the stars lightly "improved" so they were stronger but very deceptive.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Trying for another one of these? LOL! :D

    Nice post & great information! :)

    Why was his other thread closed? Most of the time it's obvious why a thread is closed but the one that was just closed has me baffled.

    Look, I've worked at several TPGS and all the major TPGS Except PCGS. I have been allowed to post here at their discretion. If they want to close a thread that's OK with me. This time it was one of my discussions.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall I don't know either.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's all let this thread DIE!

    Please take my GTG poll so I can show the next side. :)

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 "Let's all let this thread DIE!"

    LOL! Troublemaker! :D

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This engraver did a much better alteration. I'll give him a 4 out of 10.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019 3:23PM

    I would consider this a dangerous coin. I bet with a blurry picture and generic description on ebay this one would sell for near MS money to some ill-informed speculator.
    Unfortunately there are those out there who would do that without thinking twice.

    -Actually I just realized that's probably already happened.

    Collector, occasional seller

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Mike1 said:

    Are you posting from experience? :)

    Perhaps the first one. The second one with better engraving is "whizzed."

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Are you posting from experience? :)

    Perhaps the first one. The second one with better engraving is "whizzed."

    Yes, all of my plastic has been sandblasted. ;)

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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    thebeavthebeav Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I owned that coin it was a G-VG......

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    OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Trying for another one of these? LOL! :D

    Nice post & great information! :)

    Why was his other thread closed (Old way to "camouflage" a counterfeit coin)? Most of the time it's obvious why a thread is closed but the one that was just closed has me baffled.

    Probably coins like these exist in TPGS slabs. Insider2 is sharing way too much exculpatory information with the collector universe........

    OINK

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Trying for another one of these? LOL! :D

    Nice post & great information! :)

    Why was his other thread closed? Most of the time it's obvious why a thread is closed but the one that was just closed has me baffled.

    Look, I've worked at several TPGS and all the major TPGS Except PCGS. I have been allowed to post here at their discretion. If they want to close a thread that's OK with me. This time it was one of my discussions.

    The thread was closed BUT it was not sent to the...

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2019 9:19AM

    @OldIndianNutKase said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Trying for another one of these? LOL! :D

    Nice post & great information! :)

    Why was his other thread closed (Old way to "camouflage" a counterfeit coin)? Most of the time it's obvious why a thread is closed but the one that was just closed has me baffled.

    Probably coins like these exist in TPGS slabs. Insider2 is sharing way too much exculpatory information with the collector universe........

    OINK

    I've only seen ONE coin this crudely altered (1796 25c) in a major TPGS slab. That company is no longer in business. The MAIN alterations you'll need to watch for are expertly repaired chopped T$, and expertly altered bands on dimes. There are others but they are less frequently seen, Everyone should be very watchful. I'll look for some examples and crop out most of the coin and the slab it was in.

    A reminder, ALL the major TPGS's guarantee their product against this sort of oversight! :)

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for another case study :)

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Expert tooling on coins can be almost undetectable....magnification (5-7x) will usually allow such work to be detected. Cheers, RickO

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2019 9:38AM

    @ricko said:
    Expert tooling on coins can be almost undetectable....magnification (5-7x) will usually allow such work to be detected. Cheers, RickO

    BUT only if you are looking for it and only if you KNOW THE coin's DESIGN. I really wish I could relate several cases of these coins that defied detection even when the alteration was pointed out! A comparison piece and a 10X view using both eyes and florescent light was needed to win several "bets." B)

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 you're okay in my book. You're making me a knowit kinda guy. Peace Roy

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks, One of my favorite things is lecturing and coaxing students to teach themselves with questions and tricks!
    CU is one place I scratch the itch. <3

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