Lucy, can you esplain why this coin is a MS68???

Coinscratch · October 8, 2019 6:51PM

Is this one of those tough years because when I look at this coin I see 66 maybe +
Thanks in advance for the clarity that I hope follows.

djm · October 8, 2019 7:04PM

Lucy wouldn't know she collects toned Franklins.

COINS MAKE CENTS · October 8, 2019 7:05PM

I am of no help I dont see an ms68 either

Hemispherical · October 8, 2019 7:06PM

What’s funny is I understand both references to “Lucy.”

Coinscratch · October 8, 2019 7:24PM

@Hemispherical said:
What’s funny is I understand both references to “Lucy.”

I haven't yet... But if this is a 68 I have a pocket full of 67's

Coinscratch · October 8, 2019 7:26PM

However and noticeably, the 67+'s also on CoinFacts do seem to have a weaker strike noticeably in the facial features.

bolivarshagnasty · October 8, 2019 7:28PM

From an absence of bag marks perspective, it might go. I wouldn't be able to live with the spotting or weakness on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. (I think I'm seeing die scratches in the field above the date which would be considered "as struck")

coinbuf · October 8, 2019 7:31PM

As a Lincoln collector that is a totally hammered strike for that year/mm, I'm not a fan of the carbon spotting but you may never see another of this year this well struck. As to does it deserve the grade, well that is always subjective.

Coinscratch · October 8, 2019 7:32PM

@bolivarshagnasty said:
From an absence of bag marks perspective, it might go. I wouldn't be able to live with the spotting or weakness on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. (I think I'm seeing die scratches in the field above the date which would be considered "as struck")

Sure! And great point! You would need a wench to get up those steps. What do they call it when there is forgiveness in the grading because of a particular year?

coinbuf · October 8, 2019 7:39PM

Most of the 60's and early 70's Lincolns have weak strikes, a strong strike like this one pictured is rare.

Coinscratch · October 8, 2019 7:41PM

@coinbuf said:
As a Lincoln collector that is a totally hammered strike for that year/mm, I'm not a fan of the carbon spotting but you may never see another of this year this well struck. As to does it deserve the grade, well that is always subjective.

Okay, that was the answer I was suspecting. It is mostly about the strike and per year on this particular issue. I recently set some goals and started a digital collection (my first love) of Lincolns. Not much to see yet but, look out Hansen .

So where are the tell tale signs of strike on these? Is it as Shagnasty mentioned in the steps? Or just a developed eye overall?
Dumb question right.

coinbuf · October 8, 2019 7:48PM

Most have mushy obv strikes with no detail on the beard, usually the chin and beard are just round and smooth. Also the hair will be lacking detail and merged with the ear. On the rev often the steps are not even seen just a smooth beveled hump.

edwardjulio · October 8, 2019 7:52PM

I am not sure you would want a "wench" to get up the stairs, maybe a winch instead.

jedm · October 8, 2019 8:19PM

Class of '75 rules baby!

Coinscratch · October 8, 2019 9:30PM

@coinbuf . Thanks Coinbuf great info! Will keep in reserve going forward..

Coinscratch · October 8, 2019 9:31PM

@jedm said:
Class of '75 rules baby!

'85 Yo

OldIndianNutKase · October 8, 2019 9:42PM

About one point over graded (technically). 67 would be OK. Maybe it was up graded due to very nice lustre?

OINK

TommyType · October 8, 2019 10:31PM

We don't know if those spots were there when it was graded. (The danger of red copper).
For some reason, I always grade Lincolns lower than they are slabbed at....but that's probably MY problem, and not the TPG's.

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JimTyler · October 9, 2019 5:58AM

It's pocket change

Coinscratch · October 9, 2019 7:00AM

@JimTyler said:
It's pocket change

$10,500 or 1,050,000 cents is a lot of pocket change.

topstuf · October 9, 2019 7:56AM

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ricko · October 9, 2019 8:57AM

The opinion of graders and the opinion of forum collectors once again collides...that is what happens with opinions... We need standards... Cheers, RickO

Coinscratch · October 9, 2019 9:09AM

Unfortunately, I have only one 1976 mint set with the 1975 cents inside (don't even understand that one) but, it looks like it has seen more than one carnival ride so, maybe the graders do know what they're talking about.

ElmerFusterpuck · October 9, 2019 9:48AM

When coin images get blown up to the size of dinner plates, every flaw becomes obvious. Imagine if your driver's license picture got blown up to 20x its size - that might be the stuff of many a horror flick.

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shorecoll · October 9, 2019 10:51AM

I hope those spots are stable, the ones near the rim look troubling to me.

johnny9434 · October 9, 2019 10:58AM

@shorecoll said:
I hope those spots are stable, the ones near the rim look troubling to me.

in between liberty and the shoulder as well bothers me, jmo

Coinscratch · October 9, 2019 11:48AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Unfortunately, I have only one 1976 mint set with the 1975 cents inside (don't even understand that one) but, it looks like it has seen more than one carnival ride so, maybe the graders do know what they're talking about.

Are the nickels 1975 or 1976? Are you sure it isn't a 1975 mint set in a 1976 envelope?

Not sure about the nickels I will have to check later at home. I just know the quarter, half, and whole are bicentennial. Maybe it is a 1975 set?

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Coinscratch · October 9, 2019 12:00PM

@ElmerFusterpuck said:
When coin images get blown up to the size of dinner plates, every flaw becomes obvious. Imagine if your driver's license picture got blown up to 20x its size - that might be the stuff of many a horror flick.

If I stand 10' back from my computer the coin looks MS68...

Insider2 · October 9, 2019 12:09PM

@shorecoll said:
I hope those spots are stable, the ones near the rim look troubling to me.

They are stable. It is corroded.

Long ago, pre-any TPGS, carbon spots on coins were not tolerated. At the first TPGS, when grading was technically very tight, a beautiful, lustrous-red, truly Uncirculated (no trace of wear) "gem" Lincoln as this would have been graded Choice Uncirculated, carbon spots. That indicated the coin was an MS-65 (THE HIGHEST GRADE AT THE TIME - MS-70 was not used) with black spots. Today, especially when copper is not as tightly guaranteed, I've noticed that carbon spots on high-grade coins may be tolerated. Personally, I don't. Commercially, I'l go with the flow; but only up to a point far below most graders.

oldabeintx · October 9, 2019 7:36PM

List $21 in 66, $10,500 in 68. If I ever do a set of Memorials, I believe I'll go the 66 route.

P.S. I really hate carbon, would rather have a $21 coin turn on me than a $10,500 coin. Would want to store the latter in outer space or something.

Coinscratch · October 9, 2019 7:48PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Unfortunately, I have only one 1976 mint set with the 1975 cents inside (don't even understand that one) but, it looks like it has seen more than one carnival ride so, maybe the graders do know what they're talking about.

Are the nickels 1975 or 1976? Are you sure it isn't a 1975 mint set in a 1976 envelope?

Not sure about the nickels I will have to check later at home. I just know the quarter, half, and whole are bicentennial. Maybe it is a 1975 set?

Yes, the 1975 set had the 3 bicentennial coins and then the 1975 cent and nickel. That's why I asked about the nickel.

My bad, it is a 1975 set, I previously pulled the Jefferson because of the steps. With as many hits I don't think it is worth it, my guess would be ms63 with a slight chance of FS. But maybe considering the Lincoln maybe it would get to 66.

mannie gray · October 9, 2019 9:40PM

@CoinscratchFever said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Unfortunately, I have only one 1976 mint set with the 1975 cents inside (don't even understand that one) but, it looks like it has seen more than one carnival ride so, maybe the graders do know what they're talking about.

Are the nickels 1975 or 1976? Are you sure it isn't a 1975 mint set in a 1976 envelope?

Not sure about the nickels I will have to check later at home. I just know the quarter, half, and whole are bicentennial. Maybe it is a 1975 set?

Yes, the 1975 set had the 3 bicentennial coins and then the 1975 cent and nickel. That's why I asked about the nickel.

My bad, it is a 1975 set, I previously pulled the Jefferson because of the steps. With as many hits I don't think it is worth it, my guess would be ms63 with a slight chance of FS. But maybe considering the Lincoln maybe it would get to 66.

Nice 1975.

Lucy, can you esplain why this coin is a MS68???

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