A thread for our new variety..."error"... newbies
JRocco
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I see a lot of new collectors posting questions regarding finding errors and varieties etc.
Well I found some old pic files of some varieties I found in the wild and from roll searches over a decade ago and thought I
would start a post showing what to look for instead of asking about every coin found with a mark
or post mint strike.
I'll start with basic RPM's on both circulated and MS coins.
I would love to please invite anyone to add pics of real varieties and errors to show our newbies what to really look for and
maybe help them determine what is real...or collectable ... vs just damaged coins.
We can then move into errors, die cracks, die gouges, strike thru's etc.
Hope this can help.
1941 S/S
1945 D/D
1949 S/S/S
1951 S/S
1953 D/D
1954 S/S
1955 D/D
Comments
Don't forget to look for split serifs instead of flat shelf like doubling.
Split serifs are a PUP or Pick Up Point for a true RPM or DD vs flat shelf doubling being a
sure sign of Machine Doubling or common Strike Doubling
1946 Wash D/D
1952 Wash D/D
1992 Jeff D/D
I've posted this one a few times. This is a 1964 1C DDR. Coincidentally just the other day I noticed that on doubleddie.com they use almost an identical picture to illustrate split serifs and notches. http://doubleddie.com/58222.html
Collector, occasional seller
Great thread idea.
This is a great link with volumes of of photos and some die marker info. http://varietyvista.com/
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
Does any one go to coppercoins any more?
Hoard the keys.
I still reference Chuck's site at coppercoins.com for his great information base and die varieties illustrations.
The forums are down but the site is still up.
1944 D/D
1957 D/D
1958 D/D
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Beautiful S/S Buff and 60 D/D and split serif example !
Here is another Jeff RPM, a 1940 S/S
And a more modern example, a 1968 Lincoln D/D
Great thread. But those who come here with their doubled-whatevers generally do not do any research (example: using the search function) before posting.
Hope this can help.
Wait one second...just found this.
Yes I do. Quite often.
Good idea @JRocco ..... I bookmarked it myself
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Here is one for buffalo collectors to look for:
This is the obverse die of the famous 1913 three and one half legged variety. This die clashed with the reverse die a number of times and the result was that finally the reverse die was swapped out for a new one. So if you find one of these and look at the front of the coin first, When you turn it over you will be looking at either a 3 and one half legged variety or a regular 4 legged reverse, depending on which reverse die was used to strike this particular coin. Both of these varieties are quite scarce to downright rare. Both varieties are certainly worth looking for.
If you look at the details of the obverse within and around the little feather you can see that this area was abraded or filled to try to remove clash marks, this attempt only served to highlight the coin.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Here is what the three and one half legged reverse looks like.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
This is an excellent thread and will help new collectors... I would like to see special titles for such threads...It is true that those with a 'discovery', rarely do any prior research, so it will not stop the inquiries, but they can be referred to bookmarked threads for quick learning. Cheers, RickO
Thanks guys.
As was pointed out earlier look for split serifs and notches when trying to determine if what you are seeing is a true hub doubled coin or just a strike doubled coin.
Here are some real life examples of some doubled dies I have found in searches.
This is what you want to look for.
1936 DDO
1942 S DDO
1955 DDO (the other one)
And here are 2 of the biggies that I did not find but purchased.
1972 DDO
1955 DDO (the king of DDO's)
Post a link to this thread in the “stickied” thread because ultimately this thread will get buried:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1006619/resources-books-to-read-on-numismatic-series-and-varieties
To liven this thread up a bit there are just some neat things that can happen to coins in the minting process. These are not PMD but rather just Mint issues.
A Lamination error...
Like my cryin Lincoln
Nice die chips...
Lincoln's nose ring
My discovery piece... Lincoln's doubled eyelid
BIE errors or in this case an IIB error
Or how about some over zealous die polishing resulting in...
Fangs
Or maybe the Ghost of Alfred Hitchcock
I could go on and on but does anyone have any "oddities" they might want to share that would not be PMD ?
I have an error related question.. partial collar errors. It's hard for me to identify. Would this count? It looks like a ridge on the top left of the obverse... not even 25% of the coins edge though.
Or this one?
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be
Hey TradesWithChops, I will defer your question to an error expert as I am far from one.
In fact I would love to see someone like errorsoncoins post a section describing errors and maybe seanq posting some of his clips in this thread to help shine a light on real errors, done by real error experts.
Ill add some varieties for the post though:
S/CC (this is the above first coin I asked about the error):
DDO:
RPD:
DDO:
DDR:
RPD:
DDR:
DDR:
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be
Nice examples TWC
Found 4 days ago.