How much do the hairlines on this coin affect it's grade?
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This is a common occurrence. A "gem+++" coin with a patch of hairlines that are very easy to miss until the coin is tipped and rotated into a specific position to the light source.
How much should this detract from the coin's grade? Do to think this is enough of a defect to "Detail" the coin?
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No expert here, but it 'should' affect the grade.
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I had a WLH "detailed" for less. I think those are significant enough to no-grade.
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If the rest of the coin is problem free with decent luster (gem+++, as stated), I could see it getting a 62 grade.
Problems are there, at that angle. That's enough to affect the coin's gradeability
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I have no idea what that Washington would grade, maybe 2-3 grades lower than without?
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I know if I submitted it it would BODY BAG.
First off, Bringing another coin to this thread is very detracting and may confuse others. What I wish you would do is to image the coin you have that is: "..an SP70 even with significant scuffing, whizzing, brushing, whatever, on sections of the medal including large sections of the rims, that look more like post mint damage..." in a NEW DISCUSSION so we can comment about what you think you see. THANKS!
No. The only way to image the hairlines was to cock the coin up at a high angle while trying to hold it steady. You a seeing a finger covering part of my coin.
Not severe enough to body bag, but would probably take a 3 grade hit, like 66 to 63.
BB will not grade they are not hair lines they are scratch's. They will say Counting wheel scratch's dang and It looked good to.
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It would most likely end up in a "details surface hairlines" slab and those don't show a numerical grade. I'd guess Unc Details.
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
It would bodybag, no question. If it’s hairlines from cleaning or, wiping as some say, the coin will not numerically grade. I’m sure you know the difference between die polishing lines and cleaning hairlines cause some folks don’t.
Can you see what they were trying to clean? Like a blemish or a spot? I find it kinda strange the only the motif has lines and the fields don’t.
If I was the submitter, it details- cleaned. If I am a buyer and the coin is straight graded - pass. I do not like the net straight grade.
Details. Wheel mark
Washie readily avail in MS, gets details Maybe in bust coinage or something older gets some leniency on grade with a wipe like that.
agree with the wheel damage assessment
if it is as bad as it looks in the photo, I'd details grade it.
That said, I've seen some straight grades but I never know whether it is because the cluster of hairlines was "tolerated as market acceptable" or simply "missed completely".
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Wow... I can see this in a bodybag, details graded, or holder ed at 63... all depending on the angle of light when the reviewer got the coin, or how much he had to drink the night before.
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Details. Doesn't matter if they only appear at certain angles. It should not straight-grade.
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Unc. Details, Wiped, net 45.
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MS61-62. Hairlines on the devices are more significant than in the fields, but they are probably there as well.
Unc details - wheel mark
Details grade IMO>
You should change your thread title. Those are not hairlines or slide marks. Coin has been lightly cleaned and is junk box material.
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PCGS grading standards for MS60 says "many heavy marks or hairlines". Hairlines are allowed up to MS66.
Ya but they are talking about this kind of scratch.
or maybe even this one
But Not this one.
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Counting wheel > @morgandollar1878 said:
Not a grade, but a eulogy
Based on the picture, I would say it would 'details'....could be a wheel mark or some other abrasive encounter just affecting the raised design. Cheers, RickO
I've had much less offensive lines get Details - Cleaned: Only seen under a lamp at a certain angle. PCGS explains this in their video about Details grades.
I'm not a fan, its like your coin goes to prison for life for jaywalking.
The counter wheel marks as seen in the OP usually send a GEM coin into a MS62 holder.
At LEAST a 2 point deduction and 50/50 chance of a bodybag.
I'll try to agree/disagree and post to this discussion later today - just in case more members add to the thread.
It is not worthless
Just worth less, we can see now
Than if no hairlines
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Where’s the wheel mark? No matter how hard I look at the OP’s coin I don’t see any evidence of a wheel mark. Am I going blind?
Most folks aren't saying someone cleaned it, but instead a hard rubber (or something) wheel in a coin counting and or rolling machine rubbed and left those parallel hairlines on the highpoints
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Another image of the same coin:
NOPE. I've had it in hand. 100% original coin. Reverse is MS-69 if you take the time to find one tiny little nick.
NOPE! Wheel marks are much more severe.
There is a big difference between a hairline and a scratch. Note they practically disappear in different light.
Skip, you want to screw around and sandbag everybody when you pull a second picture of the same coin out of your hat that demonstrates what might only be visible under different light at a different angle? That's not Socratic, just perverse. And you know it.
I think these are marks were on the planchet before the coin was struck. The force of the strike was not enough to flatten all of the marks. I have seen similar marks on zinc Lincoln cents and they have not graded higher than MS67.
No you can see the skid mark on his neck. Trust me I've tried but its your $$$ not worth it, just find anther one with no problem's. Have fun looking but remember if you get it for melt good go for it but if you are paying a premium pass and move on to the next one.
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Here is MHO. These are not production marks nor do I consider them damage. They are worth a grade less. I would call these "Hairlines" as very light scratches commonly made or caused by the sliding plastic windows found in Whitman and other folders. Same goes for cabinet friction as I consider them one in the same.
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This one has lines that appear to be etched across Lincolns face but, I thought it was dust/residue from sitting in mint set??
It graded MS68 shortly before PL came out - It contrasts at angles, note the shadowing on shoulder.
Which by the way was the OP's advice to send in - Thanks again! @Insider2
Nope. Most of the time, "lines" left on a planchet resulted from adjustment marks, draw bars, or worn finishing rollers. These things are vary rarely seen on most "modern coins" except on Lincolns where the strike leaves a "pinkish- flat" spot. I don't know the specific cause of these mostly micro lines.
Most of the marks on the other denominations of modern coins are also seen on vintage examples. They come in the form of tiny (usually) hits from the planchet that did not get struck out.
Well marks or not it would look great in an album....
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