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thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

I went to the Moonlight Mint website to order one of Dan Carr's 1907 Caballito restrikes and saw the price was $75 more for both dates and the 1902-S Philippines peso. Wassup?

thefinn

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe a glitch?

    Increased costs? Higher demand?

    Only @dcarr can tell us for certain (if he wants to that is).

  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...on a positive note, it looks like the overall mintage was kept down at least 1 piece on each issue ;)

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For $275 I can buy a nice BU original strike.

    thefinn
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:
    Dan Carr products are like Pandas. You have to buy them when the release and you will find out the values increase in short time. Here are my latest additions

    These are prices on his website, not aftermarket. There are plenty of DC pieces that resell for less than issue price, just like the U.S. Mint.

    thefinn
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2019 9:04PM

    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting....

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Prices rise in most areas, due to many reasons. The important thing is, that product from @dcarr is always of high quality. I have acquired several pieces and always happy with them. Cheers, RickO

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @Zoins said:
    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

    Yes, it is turning out to be somewhat difficult to get enough suitable Caballito pesos.

    If I get a Caballito and it is deemed acceptable, is there a price like for the Bust Dollars?

    thefinn
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't think you can buy a Caballito in Unc. slabbed for 275 other than maybe a "details" grade.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    Don't think you can buy a Caballito in Unc. slabbed for 275 other than maybe a "details" grade.

    You can if you're patient.

    thefinn
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2019 12:04PM

    Hmm, ok, look at eBay - not there. If you can get a nice "62" for 275 that is IMO a good buy.

    I wanted a 2007 and not the 2015 but the site was glitched at the time. Didn't bother with the Philipino one as it was just too high a bill to get everything...

    Will Danny make a 2019 Clark, Gruber & Co 1/4 oz gold coin this year (usu $500 dollar denomination)? I have the 2013-2018....

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How come no one complains that overstriking coins is a numismatic loss? I mean, I don't care what anyone does with a coin they own, but people get made about cleaned/altered/jewelry coins in other contexts, why not this one?

  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    How come no one complains that overstriking coins is a numismatic loss? I mean, I don't care what anyone does with a coin they own, but people get made about cleaned/altered/jewelry coins in other contexts, why not this one?

    ...like a silverware collector getting upset at Martha Washington for letting the boys get to her stash?...what would we be doing right now if that had not been allowed?...sometimes greater things get made out of the old ;)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    How come no one complains that overstriking coins is a numismatic loss? I mean, I don't care what anyone does with a coin they own, but people get made about cleaned/altered/jewelry coins in other contexts, why not this one?

    ...like a silverware collector getting upset at Martha Washington for letting the boys get to her stash?...what would we be doing right now if that had not been allowed?...sometimes greater things get made out of the old ;)

    My point is that if you go dig up the thread on the high relief $20 money clip and other coin modifications, there is always much ringing of hands.

    Pull up some of the gold and silver threads and you'll find people ruing the "melting pot".

    Yet no one seems to mind if Dan Carr is overstriking a relatively scarce coin.

    [Like I said, I don't care. We need to melt about 90% of the Saints in existence and probably 90% of the silver dollars to save the "numismatic premium".]

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2019 1:10PM

    I don't care either BUT I >:) love <3 all the whiners :'(:'(:'( , whatever they whine about!

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    How come no one complains that overstriking coins is a numismatic loss? I mean, I don't care what anyone does with a coin they own, but people get made about cleaned/altered/jewelry coins in other contexts, why not this one?

    ...like a silverware collector getting upset at Martha Washington for letting the boys get to her stash?...what would we be doing right now if that had not been allowed?...sometimes greater things get made out of the old ;)

    It was Thomas Jefferson's silver, not MW's.

    thefinn
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most Caballitos have been circulated and/or wiped. He is not using Mint State specimens.....See for example the one I bought from the BST on these boards and graded MS65 at our hosts that I posted....

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    Hmm, ok, look at eBay - not there. If you can get a nice "62" for 275 that is IMO a good buy.

    I wanted a 2007 and not the 2015 but the site was glitched at the time. Didn't bother with the Philipino one as it was just too high a bill to get everything...

    Will Danny make a 2019 Clark, Gruber & Co 1/4 oz gold coin this year (usu $500 dollar denomination)? I have the 2013-2018....

    EBay has become a fixed price mart, not an auction house. I pick up my nice foreign coins from U.S. coin dealers that don't care about them

    thefinn
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, do you see slabbed 62+ coins going for substantially less from US dealers? I'd be a buyer for nice specimens at that price.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @Zoins said:
    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

    Yes, it is turning out to be somewhat difficult to get enough suitable Caballito pesos.

    Daniel, I sent a PM on another subject I just wanted to make sure that you got the message.

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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    How come no one complains that overstriking coins is a numismatic loss? I mean, I don't care what anyone does with a coin they own, but people get made about cleaned/altered/jewelry coins in other contexts, why not this one?

    ...like a silverware collector getting upset at Martha Washington for letting the boys get to her stash?...what would we be doing right now if that had not been allowed?...sometimes greater things get made out of the old ;)

    It was Thomas Jefferson's silver, not MW's.

    https://www.money.org/rittenhouse-half-disme

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:

    @dcarr said:

    @Zoins said:
    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

    Yes, it is turning out to be somewhat difficult to get enough suitable Caballito pesos.

    If I get a Caballito and it is deemed acceptable, is there a price like for the Bust Dollars?

    The Bust Dollar product is structured they way it is out of necessity, due to the cost and scarcity of suitable host coins.

    But I'd rather buy the Caballitos outright and not have to keep track of who is supposed to get which specific coin. Also, this makes it easier to provide a "high-grade" coin that was ordered (because there is no guarantee that a particular coin will come out right).

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    Will Danny make a 2019 Clark, Gruber & Co 1/4 oz gold coin this year (usu $500 dollar denomination)? I have the 2013-2018....

    Yes, that is planned - maybe later in September.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Texast said:

    @dcarr said:

    @Zoins said:
    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

    Yes, it is turning out to be somewhat difficult to get enough suitable Caballito pesos.

    Daniel, I sent a PM on another subject I just wanted to make sure that you got the message.

    Hmm...
    I do not see any messages from you in my inbox.
    Maybe try again ?

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @Texast said:

    @dcarr said:

    @Zoins said:
    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

    Yes, it is turning out to be somewhat difficult to get enough suitable Caballito pesos.

    Daniel, I sent a PM on another subject I just wanted to make sure that you got the message.

    Hmm...
    I do not see any messages from you in my inbox.
    Maybe try again ?

    Check your wall as sometimes people post there by accident instead of sending a PM.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @dcarr said:

    @Texast said:

    @dcarr said:

    @Zoins said:
    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

    Yes, it is turning out to be somewhat difficult to get enough suitable Caballito pesos.

    Daniel, I sent a PM on another subject I just wanted to make sure that you got the message.

    Hmm...
    I do not see any messages from you in my inbox.
    Maybe try again ?

    Check your wall as sometimes people post there by accident instead of sending a PM.

    There it is. I never checked my "wall" or even realized that is what it was. Its like Facebook but without all the graffiti.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @thefinn said:

    @dcarr said:

    @Zoins said:
    Perhaps he's out of coins to overstrike and it's more expensive to get more?

    Yes, it is turning out to be somewhat difficult to get enough suitable Caballito pesos.

    If I get a Caballito and it is deemed acceptable, is there a price like for the Bust Dollars?

    The Bust Dollar product is structured they way it is out of necessity, due to the cost and scarcity of suitable host coins.

    But I'd rather buy the Caballitos outright and not have to keep track of who is supposed to get which specific coin. Also, this makes it easier to provide a "high-grade" coin that was ordered (because there is no guarantee that a particular coin will come out right).

    Will the pieces struck over an actual Bust Dollar (I can't imagine someone doing that) still have the wording below the eagle? That ruins it for me - like the 1916 gold pieces that say, "24kt Au".

    thefinn

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