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GTG on this 1885-S Morgan Crossover from NGC to PCGS "Grade Revealed"
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I sent my 1885-S to PCGS trying for a across the board crossover, what do you think it came back as?
I won this 1885-S DPL in a Heritage auction 16 years ago and at that time I thought it would have a good chance to cross with PCGS. I found out very quickly that PCGS is much more strict on what they call a DMPL or even a PL compared to NGC. A total of ten 1885-S DPL'S have been graded with NGC and only one DMPL with PCGS.
I took the coin with me to the FUN Show in 2005 and submitted with PCGS for a one day grading turn around and it came back with a big surprise. I will be cracking it out and submitting to NGC, I will post the results when I get it back. 
Thank you for the nice complements and feed back on the coin.
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64 PL? Sweet coin.
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64 PL is what I was thinking also.
One grade lower
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65PL (or maybe even higher). Right or wrong, 64 didn’t even cross my mind.
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64 PL
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63PL
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65PL
64+PL
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I would certainly agree with 65PL.... Very nice Morgan....
65PL.
63+PL
65PL seems appropriate given the clean fields. It might help to get an angle shot just to capture the cheek as that would appear to the reason for 64PL opined by others
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That’s a good point about the cheek. But based on what we can see, I can’t begin to understand the grade guesses of less than 64.
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Most 1885-S Morgans sustained bag marks. With the semi cameo appearance, I would expect to see a greater contrast at the point of the marks on the cheek. And that is what I am expecting to see if an angle shot were provided is that contrast. But if the contrast is slight because the marks relatively insignificant, then a 65 grade is easily justified. If the fields are as clean in hand as they appear in the image, 66 is quite possible.
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64+PL or 65 no PL
65
The dot off the chin is "interesting" but MS 65 PL or even DMPL is realistic if the pictures are to be believed.
64 PL
nice 65 congrats!
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66 PL
66 is too high, 65 PL
Also 64 PL
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66+
First impression without seeing other guesses, 64 or 65, pl or dpl.
65, not sure about PL
I think I'd be a little upset about getting a non edge view gasket on such a coin.
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Beautiful coin. From my view looks like a 64pl. A few less marks makes it easily a 65. That being said I got some coins graded by pcgs that I felt deserved lower grades and some I felt deserved higher. Honestly its not a exact science and subject to interpretation unfortunately. I also will say that most of the time when looking at a coin like this one you instantly can tell its in the 60's somewhere.
There's about $5000 difference in price from a 64PL to 65PL, so I'm guessing it gets 64PL. What's the NGC grade?
64
64+ PL. Great coin
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64PL
That explains the solid gasket
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I don’t want to be a Monday morning quarterback but I would have submitted as a cross at same grade and designation only. PCGS is obviously very tough with DMPL’s for this date and getting it to cross would be a real long shot. I hope you don’t have a tough time getting the DPL designation back with NGC.
I don't understand why our host standards for PL/DMPL has changed over the years.
Shouldn't the criteria stay the same for the designation?
But then again, so has their regular grading standards. What used to be a 65 is now a 64, etc.
That's why I opted out of this game a while ago.
Sorry for your loss :'(
Not sure what to write other than I am not going to sound like a Monday morning quarterback. I am unable to see or appreciate how a coin drops from a DMPL to one of just MS stature.
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Brutal
I didn't respond to the OP's inquiry but with all the haze I can see why the no PL. Should have paid to have them conserve it first.
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That's definitely prooflike.
Looks like A LOT of 64s that I've seen.
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First reaction was 5-PL. How does that coin not PL?
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Tell.
Me.
Done with TPG....
PCGS has different standards for many different dates in the Morgan series, and the 85-S is notorious for needing to have ultra, ultra deep mirrors on both sides to even get a PL designation, and this is nothing new. The 85-S is also a date that is typically harshly graded at PCGS probably partly due to the price spreads between grades.
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Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.
......and in addition, it also doesn't help that the new PCGS standards for PL and DMPL designations have drastically changed.
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Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.
Honestly not too surprised, I've seen similar looking coins without a prooflike designation. I think PCGS pays a lot of attention to frost on Morgans and this piece is lacking in that. It also looks like it's been dipped in the past. I personally would probably give it a PL, but I don't think it's a true dmpl or dpl. I would guess 63 or 63pl at NGC if they regrade it.
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64 PL or 65 ..... she is sure pretty
This coin was never graded DMPL by our host. NGC graded this coin 2O years ago and both grading services have much tighter standards today.
It is a very nice coin with excellent contrast between the devices and fields. What may have held the coin back from PL was the cloudy mirrors and the lack of mirror depth on the upper portion of the reverse. The coin is worth a re-submission.
I wished all MS63 morgans looked that nice! Wow, I can't see how a grader could just call that a ms63. I'd give ya sheet +$100...lol
...OP is obviously extremely patient...but I’m hella confused...this all happened in 2005?...current TPG graders were still playing little league baseball back then...the coin is no doubt PL IMO and it should be graded as such
Grading that coin...from the pictures a 63 is a CRIME!
Looks super sweet to me.
Might DMPL...hard to tell from the pics, but the eye appeal is out of this world for that date
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