Can anyone tell me about the new PCGS "RARITIES" coin holders?

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apollo14
apollo14 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
edited August 19, 2019 11:45AM in U.S. Coin Forum

~~~~Hello everyone!

Can anyone give me any specifics about the new PCGS "Rarities" coin holders? I believe they were announced at the ANA show, but I have not seen anything on the PCGS website.

Thanks!

David

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  • oih82w8
    oih82w8 Posts: 13,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2019 9:30PM
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    Great (sarcasm), another way to differentiate the "have" from the "have not"...if this "VIP thing" is true.

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  • ricko
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    I have not heard of these... is it a way of documenting provenance? Or some other reason... Cheers, RickO

  • apollo14
    apollo14 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2019 7:18AM
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    My understanding is that the "VIP" holder is being introduced to house coins valued at over $100,000.00. Perhaps PCGS would be kind enough to provide further information in this thread, as I have not seen any announcment or information as of yet on their website.

  • messydesk
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    Basically today's version of the Regency holders. About 3.5" x 4.5" rectangular (more or less) with room for more stuff (e.g., the name of your Important Collection™) on the label. They are the new default holder for the top submission tier.

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  • PerryHall
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    I'd like to see a pic of this new slab.

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  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:
    I'd like to see a pic of this new slab.

    I assume our hosts will be putting up a picture and official announcement this week as they get back to the office from the ANA show.

    John
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  • DIMEMAN
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    Are you talking about the holders that the Liberty Nickel collection on display at ANA were in, which I don't like?

  • topstuf
    topstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ahhh.... pander to elitism. So smart. :s
    Then there will be another thing to mention when criticizing the grade of a coin in one or just being snarky.
    This is a bad idea. (even though I've not seen it)

    How divisive do we want to make this hobby?

  • dbldie55
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    @PerryHall said:
    I'd like to see a pic of this new slab.

    Here is the 1913

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  • PerryHall
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    edited August 19, 2019 8:56AM
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    Very nice looking holder. I bet that 1896-O Micro O Morgan that was shown in another thread would look good in the Rarities slab.

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  • topstuf
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    @dbldie55 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    I'd like to see a pic of this new slab.

    Here is the 1913

    Well, at least it doesn't detract from the coin. :D

  • BrettPCGS
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    Sorry we haven't been faster to get out press. Will be info out soon but to make a few corrections. It's called the Rarities holder, it's not the default option on any service tiers, and it's not exclusively for expensive coins. Details to follow, thanks

    Brett Charville --- I work at PCGS

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Might have to request this on a sub just in case they do become like the regency holders ;)
    Do they come with a little bag too?

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  • winesteven
    winesteven Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Will PCGS also provide 20 slab holders for this size?

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  • pmac
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    @keets said:
    count me out for obvious reasons and mark me as thinking it's a bad idea that will die on vine, quickly I hope.

    This is what I thought with the "First Struck" designation. Somehow a lot of people had imbibed on the 'kool-aid'.

    Paul
  • apollo14
    apollo14 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
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    The case housing the 1913 nickel appears to have numerous small defects in its surface. Perhaps that is just dust photographed on the surface, rather then imperfections in the plastic itself.

    Could PCGS please clairify and thanks!

  • TomB
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    Obviously, it appears to dwarf the nickel, but the overall look of the holder reminds me of the early attempts by PCGS 9 (or NGC) to certify "problem" coins. Does anyone else see the resemblance?

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  • dbldie55
    dbldie55 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @apollo14 said:
    The case housing the 1913 nickel appears to have numerous small defects in its surface. Perhaps that is just dust photographed on the surface, rather then imperfections in the plastic itself.

    Could PCGS please clairify and thanks!

    The coin was in a glass case, so this is just an image taken with my phone from the "outside" the case.

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  • Pickwickjr
    Pickwickjr Posts: 559 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Do you pay extra for all that plastic?

  • apollo14
    apollo14 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
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    @dbldie55 said:

    @apollo14 said:
    The case housing the 1913 nickel appears to have numerous small defects in its surface. Perhaps that is just dust photographed on the surface, rather then imperfections in the plastic itself.

    Could PCGS please clairify and thanks!

    The coin was in a glass case, so this is just an image taken with my phone from the "outside" the case.

    Thank you for the clairification!

  • apollo14
    apollo14 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
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    @Pickwickjr said:
    Do you pay extra for all that plastic?

    It would be helpful if PCGS would issue an official defination of what a "Rarities" case is, and the specific criteria a coin must meet in order to qualify to be placed in one.

    Thanks in advance!

  • ARCO
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    @Pickwickjr said:
    Do you pay extra for all that plastic?

    No, it is all built into the grading fees :)

  • apollo14
    apollo14 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2019 9:42AM
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    In my opinion, the case would be much more attractive if the insert around the coin were clear.

    Indeed, with a bit of extra clear material around the coin as well, so that the coin appears to "float" in space rather then having plastic arms holding it.

  • fiftysevener
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    I think my favorite lookers are copper proofs in NGC fattys with white inserts.

  • BryceM
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    I'm not a big fan of the way the 1913 nickel looks...... "Oh look, there's a coin in there!" Hopefully, if true, the new thing won't be anything like that.

    I agree with @keets on this. Less is more, and anything that distracts from the coin is a negative. Slabs are already bad enough, but we're used to it and my brain more or less removes the slab when looking at the coin. With that 1913, it's pretty tough to do that.

  • Twobitcollector
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    Well that leaves me out

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  • Justacommeman
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    I was under the impression that the new rarities holders would look somewhat like old Regency holders and would be different from the Forsythe holders pictured.

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  • PerryHall
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    @jwitten said:
    Way too big. Also, now thieves will have an easy way to spot the big ticket items if they are doing a quick smash and grab job.

    Excellent point!

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  • pruebas
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    @PerryHall said:
    Very nice looking holder.

    Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite.

  • Lakesammman
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    Wow - ugly.....

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  • GRANDAM
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    @dbldie55 said:

    Here is the 1913

    I would like to see this new slab next to a normal size and a 5 oz size slab.

    GrandAm :)
  • ShadyDave
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    @TomB said:
    Obviously, it appears to dwarf the nickel, but the overall look of the holder reminds me of the early attempts by PCGS 9 (or NGC) to certify "problem" coins. Does anyone else see the resemblance?

    Yeah, they look like the old NCS holders (if I remember correctly) and NGC details holders, lol.

    My one question on this is what will happen when a new “finest known” coin come to light? How will PCGS correct that discrepancy?

  • MFeld
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    @ShadyDave said:

    @TomB said:
    Obviously, it appears to dwarf the nickel, but the overall look of the holder reminds me of the early attempts by PCGS 9 (or NGC) to certify "problem" coins. Does anyone else see the resemblance?

    Yeah, they look like the old NCS holders (if I remember correctly) and NGC details holders, lol.

    My one question on this is what will happen when a new “finest known” coin come to light? How will PCGS correct that discrepancy?

    In the case of 1913 Liberty nickels, I don’t see a potential discrepancy. Are you aware of another coin labeled as “finest known” with such status being subject to revision?

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  • koynekwest
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    I feel that the holder totally overwhelms the coin. I'm not a fan.

  • apollo14
    apollo14 Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
    edited August 20, 2019 7:05AM
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    @apollo14 said:
    In my opinion, the case would be much more attractive if the insert around the coin were clear.

    Indeed, with a bit of extra clear material around the coin as well, so that the coin appears to "float" in space rather then having plastic arms holding it.

    Heather and Brett:

    PLEASE give those of us using the new holder the OPTION to have the center insert either clear (so the coin appears to float in space), or just keep the center insert CURRENTLY in use by PCGS.

    I love having my rarity-level coins in the larger case, but don't like the new "milky" white center insert with crude plastic-looking arms holding the coin!

    Many thanks, and congratulations on the new rarity-level holder!

    David

  • PerryHall
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    Will PCGS provide new storage boxes that can accommodate these oversized slabs?
    I don't think people who store their coins in a safe deposit box where space is very limited will want to use these oversized slabs.

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  • NumisOxide
    NumisOxide Posts: 11,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well, now they need to make larger "stickers". ;)

  • amwldcoin
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  • Exbrit
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    A lot of interpretation with the word rare.

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  • MrEureka
    MrEureka Posts: 24,777 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 21, 2019 6:36AM
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    As I’ve said before, I believe that storage space constraints and the bulk of slabs has caused many of us to collect fewer (and more expensive) coins. So as someone who would like to see more coins in every collection, this new mega-slab seems like a step in exactly the wrong direction.

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 21, 2019 7:27AM
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    I've actually been thinking it would be nice to have smaller slabs, for denominations up to a half dollar.

    Supporting old silver dollars, American Silver Eagles and Pan Pac slugs makes the slabs much larger than necessary for denominations half dollar and smaller.

    Though I'm not sure how many people would like breaking up holder size for dollar and above vs. smaller than a dollar.

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  • Zoins
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    edited August 21, 2019 8:38AM
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    @dbldie55 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    I'd like to see a pic of this new slab.

    Here is the 1913

    It's nice that the width fits "GERALD R. FORSYTHE COLLECTIONS" almost perfectly.

    It's interesting that it has an "S" on the end for "COLLECTIONS". I'm wondering if each collection maps to a coin type?

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