@1970s said:
If you looked in the right place, like the original post, they fit the criteria set by the OP, even though it was said that we don't think of them as a girl's band.
And if you looked in the right place, like the video I posted, you'd see that there were no women at all in the band. And I posted a video from when they were good, before they added the women and became a sappy 70's pop group. "Fleetwood Mac", to me, is the rock group that recorded "Oh Well", not the group that recorded "Rhianon". And so I said that Fleetwood Mac was not a female band.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
Bottom line here (and my last comment) You can hire TWO guitar players to replace Buckingham, and they did this once before, but who do you find that sings like Stevie?
Buckingham seems to be a bit above the drama, he was willing to change his touring so he could play with them and Nicks gave the ultimatum.
You could see her attitude in concert back in the day. When the song didn't feature her she was bored.
Buckingham is a professional and Nicks, while a great talent, is a diva who has to have things her way.
REALLY funny that when Lindsey was offered the lead guitarist spot in the band he would only accept if Stevie, his then girlfriend/partner was allowed in the band. now she forces him out.
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No question both Lindsey and Stevie were the two that made FM one of the biggest bands on the planet. HOWEVER, Stevie is without question the most popular member of the group. This years tour without Lindsey is one of the top 5 grossing tours in the country.
However me myself has no interest in paying to see them on tour without Lindsey....an amazing songwriter and guitar player.
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@Tabe said:
Without a doubt, Heart. Fleetwood Mac was a bigger band but they weren't a female band. They were a band with (sometimes) two women in it. Heart was definitely a female band. And their music was better Shame that they're broken up and no longer speaking to each other.
I was thinking Heart also, but I also believe Heart would have three guys playing with them during concerts, which in basically where Fleetwood Mac was at also. I thought both were five people bands.
Did not know the Wilson sisters are not speaking any more. How did that happen ?
Heart has dudes play with them but the Wilson sisters ARE the band. Ann sings, Nancy plays and sings. The guys are just filler.
No, no, no. Howard Leese and Mike Derosier were GREAT players. Leese was AMAZING in his concert performances ( great on the records too but more controlled) and Derosier's drumming was a key to their hard driving sound in the early version of the band.
Yeah, that came out way more disrespectful than what I was trying to convey. Basically, people don't think about the other guys when they think of Heart. When you think of Fleetwood Mac, Mick & Buckingham definitely come to mind. That's the difference.
Wasn't trying to slight the talents of those guys though I obviously did.
I believe this is going to be a two horse race between Heart and Fleetwood Mac
so I just got to work and listened to some Fleetwood Mac on the way here. they are a paradox: their most commercial success came with the edition of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, but that actually ruined the sound of what the band really was. heck, most people who claim to know Rock-n-Roll don't even know who Peter Green is and have never heard Jeremy Spencer play slide guitar. they don't know how absolutely rock solid Fleetwood and McVie were as a rhythm section, cut their teeth with Mayall.
give a listen to "Heart Beat Like a Hammer" or one of the better covers of "Shake Your Moneymaker" and you might get hooked on what the real Fleetwood Mac sounded like.
to the OP's question, unless there is someone out there really obscure the answer is probably Heart.
@Tabe said:
Without a doubt, Heart. Fleetwood Mac was a bigger band but they weren't a female band. They were a band with (sometimes) two women in it. Heart was definitely a female band. And their music was better Shame that they're broken up and no longer speaking to each other.
I was thinking Heart also, but I also believe Heart would have three guys playing with them during concerts, which in basically where Fleetwood Mac was at also. I thought both were five people bands.
Did not know the Wilson sisters are not speaking any more. How did that happen ?
Heart has dudes play with them but the Wilson sisters ARE the band. Ann sings, Nancy plays and sings. The guys are just filler.
No, no, no. Howard Leese and Mike Derosier were GREAT players. Leese was AMAZING in his concert performances ( great on the records too but more controlled) and Derosier's drumming was a key to their hard driving sound in the early version of the band.
Yeah, that came out way more disrespectful than what I was trying to convey. Basically, people don't think about the other guys when they think of Heart. When you think of Fleetwood Mac, Mick & Buckingham definitely come to mind. That's the difference.
Wasn't trying to slight the talents of those guys though I obviously did.
It's easy to give/take the wrong impression on these boards. I probably over reacted myself. These two never got much recognition with the Wilson sisters being the focus of all the hype.
I spent a lot of time on the road listening to music and when I put in a upgraded sound system, I really noticed the inventive drumming on the old Heart records.
Of course, Mick Fleetwood is a highly regarded drummer for some of us old timers.
To show what an old goat AND music lover I am, I still have the albums "Bare Trees and Heroes are hard to find" on my shelf. I am not really that familiar with the Peter Green era, although he has a great reputation as a musician.
I liked the Welch/Kirwan period, but I must say when Buckinham joined the band they got "better"....... kind of like when Joe Walsh joined the Eagles, the band developed more of an "edge" if that makes sense.
Ann Wilson has got to have one of the all time great voices in Rock and Roll. Nancy is quite an accomplished Guitar player and Heart is much more a "female" band while FM is a "better" band with some great songs sung by the two women in the band.
Two of my all-time favorite bands. Could play ballads that would bring a tear to your eye and rock your socks off as well.
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@keets You’re obviously free to prefer the blues version of Fleetwood Mac. But Lindsey Buckingham is to me the most talented member of any version of the band, and it’s not really that close.
@PaulMaul said: @keets You’re obviously free to prefer the blues version of Fleetwood Mac. But Lindsey Buckingham is to me the most talented member of any version of the band, and it’s not really that close.
I was going to move on, but just can't.
I am amazed by Buckingham's guitar playing and don't want to try to get into any kind of who was better debate, but have you ever heard the song "Oh Well"? Some damn fine guitar work there.
I once looked at a "Top 100" list of guitar players, saw Buckinham was at about #97 and just shut er down. Any list that has him rated that low is not worth reading.
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I liked the Welch/Kirwan period, but I must say when Buckinham joined the band they got "better."
the reason that Fleetwood Mac got "better" when they added Lindsey Buckingham is because they got "worse" when they changed to the Bob Welch era. they actually started to fall away from their roots with Kiln House and the tree fell over with the next album. I actually can listen to their entire albums/CD's up through Heroes Are Hard to Find but not really after that.
it's strange, but I'm familiar with the Buckingham/Nicks period of songs but own none of the CD's. I don't need to, I can hear them on the radio ad nauseum.
have you ever heard the song "Oh Well"? Some damn fine guitar work there.
that's on the US release of "Then Play On" from 1969, a different version with some fine guitar work but not like what the Buckingham era group did with it.
Ann Wilson has got to have one of the all time great voices in Rock and Roll. Nancy is quite an accomplished Guitar player and Heart is much more a "female" band while FM is a "better" band with some great songs sung by the two women in the band.
Saw Heart about 5 years ago. Ann still sounds incredible. An amazing voice and tremendous singer.
yes, it does. for all the popularity brought to the band by Nicks and Buckingham, why no fame for them prior to that?? there biggest accomplishment was fulfillment of a Bob Dylan lyric --- There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all. the "break" for the pair was built on the success of Bob Welch who left for a solo career that quickly fizzled.
Buckingham is an accomplished guitarist but needed an established band for his success, Nicks just needed a boyfriend. the union worked out well for everyone..................for awhile. who can know what might have happened had someone else filled in for Welch, I only know there are plenty of accomplished axe-men from that era who can also sing, just not a much prettier face with such a sweet voice.
@keets said: Damn, the Fleetwood Mac debate continues.
yes, it does. for all the popularity brought to the band by Nicks and Buckingham, why no fame for them prior to that?? there biggest accomplishment was fulfillment of a Bob Dylan lyric --- There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all. the "break" for the pair was built on the success of Bob Welch who left for a solo career that quickly fizzled.
Buckingham is an accomplished guitarist but needed an established band for his success, Nicks just needed a boyfriend. the union worked out well for everyone..................for awhile. who can know what might have happened had someone else filled in for Welch, I only know there are plenty of accomplished axe-men from that era who can also sing, just not a much prettier face with such a sweet voice.
There's a great "rockumentary" on Fleetwood Mac. Maybe a VH1 "Behing the Music"? In it several members of the band weigh in, saying they all "hated" each other before their huge success, but musically were a great fit and saw the material they were working on was very good, so they kept it together and made 1975's self titled album, The McVie's divorced and Lindsey and Stevie broke up and the next year they released "Rumours".
Now that they are an "oldies" band they kick out Buckingham. Not cool. He was a huge part in their having all the oldies to still be playing.
I would rather see them with Lindsey and a "sing-a -like" instead of Nicks that what they are offering now.
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I am not a misogynist, but having a chick in a Rock-n-Roll band is death to the band, especially a hot chick. and if you think about it, in today's glitzy/glammy world there won't be any no-hot chicks in bands. it's about what you look like and not so much musical talent. Cass Elliot had a voice like an angel but she'd be body-shamed today.
back to girl bands, look at what happened to Heart, the testosterone destroyed them. a better formula is more along the lines of Led Zeppelin where all the chicks are in the audience during the show and then in the Hotel room afterwards.
@keets said:
I am not a misogynist, but having a chick in a Rock-n-Roll band is death to the band, especially a hot chick. and if you think about it, in today's glitzy/glammy world there won't be any no-hot chicks in bands. it's about what you look like and not so much musical talent. Cass Elliot had a voice like an angel but she'd be body-shamed today.
back to girl bands, look at what happened to Heart, the testosterone destroyed them. a better formula is more along the lines of Led Zeppelin where all the chicks are in the audience during the show and then in the Hotel room afterwards.
Heard about what happened during Def Leppard concerts when Joe Elliot was on stage by himself?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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And if you looked in the right place, like the video I posted, you'd see that there were no women at all in the band. And I posted a video from when they were good, before they added the women and became a sappy 70's pop group. "Fleetwood Mac", to me, is the rock group that recorded "Oh Well", not the group that recorded "Rhianon". And so I said that Fleetwood Mac was not a female band.
Bottom line here (and my last comment) You can hire TWO guitar players to replace Buckingham, and they did this once before, but who do you find that sings like Stevie?
Buckingham seems to be a bit above the drama, he was willing to change his touring so he could play with them and Nicks gave the ultimatum.
You could see her attitude in concert back in the day. When the song didn't feature her she was bored.
Buckingham is a professional and Nicks, while a great talent, is a diva who has to have things her way.
REALLY funny that when Lindsey was offered the lead guitarist spot in the band he would only accept if Stevie, his then girlfriend/partner was allowed in the band. now she forces him out.
Unfortunate that Grace Slick got bumped early. Great rocker and one of the pioneers.
Yeah yeah...I know the metrics.
No question both Lindsey and Stevie were the two that made FM one of the biggest bands on the planet. HOWEVER, Stevie is without question the most popular member of the group. This years tour without Lindsey is one of the top 5 grossing tours in the country.
However me myself has no interest in paying to see them on tour without Lindsey....an amazing songwriter and guitar player.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Yeah, that came out way more disrespectful than what I was trying to convey. Basically, people don't think about the other guys when they think of Heart. When you think of Fleetwood Mac, Mick & Buckingham definitely come to mind. That's the difference.
Wasn't trying to slight the talents of those guys though I obviously did.
I believe this is going to be a two horse race between Heart and Fleetwood Mac
so I just got to work and listened to some Fleetwood Mac on the way here. they are a paradox: their most commercial success came with the edition of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, but that actually ruined the sound of what the band really was. heck, most people who claim to know Rock-n-Roll don't even know who Peter Green is and have never heard Jeremy Spencer play slide guitar. they don't know how absolutely rock solid Fleetwood and McVie were as a rhythm section, cut their teeth with Mayall.
give a listen to "Heart Beat Like a Hammer" or one of the better covers of "Shake Your Moneymaker" and you might get hooked on what the real Fleetwood Mac sounded like.
to the OP's question, unless there is someone out there really obscure the answer is probably Heart.
The truth is though, that Stevie gave the band an ultimatum, and they chose Stevie over LB.
actually, they chose money and fame over actual musicianship and doing what was originally conceived way back in 1968.
...and not even a mention of the Pretenders.
Chrissie Hynde had an actual decent voice.
two Girls needed, the Pretenders are awesome but don't qualify. same with Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Pat Benetar and Blondie.
It's easy to give/take the wrong impression on these boards. I probably over reacted myself. These two never got much recognition with the Wilson sisters being the focus of all the hype.
I spent a lot of time on the road listening to music and when I put in a upgraded sound system, I really noticed the inventive drumming on the old Heart records.
Of course, Mick Fleetwood is a highly regarded drummer for some of us old timers.
To show what an old goat AND music lover I am, I still have the albums "Bare Trees and Heroes are hard to find" on my shelf. I am not really that familiar with the Peter Green era, although he has a great reputation as a musician.
I liked the Welch/Kirwan period, but I must say when Buckinham joined the band they got "better"....... kind of like when Joe Walsh joined the Eagles, the band developed more of an "edge" if that makes sense.
Ann Wilson has got to have one of the all time great voices in Rock and Roll. Nancy is quite an accomplished Guitar player and Heart is much more a "female" band while FM is a "better" band with some great songs sung by the two women in the band.
Two of my all-time favorite bands. Could play ballads that would bring a tear to your eye and rock your socks off as well.
@keets You’re obviously free to prefer the blues version of Fleetwood Mac. But Lindsey Buckingham is to me the most talented member of any version of the band, and it’s not really that close.
Damn, the Fleetwood Mac debate continues. It's the musical version of Brett vs Schmidt. Buckingham vs Nicks.
I was going to move on, but just can't.
I am amazed by Buckingham's guitar playing and don't want to try to get into any kind of who was better debate, but have you ever heard the song "Oh Well"? Some damn fine guitar work there.
I once looked at a "Top 100" list of guitar players, saw Buckinham was at about #97 and just shut er down. Any list that has him rated that low is not worth reading.
I liked the Welch/Kirwan period, but I must say when Buckinham joined the band they got "better."
the reason that Fleetwood Mac got "better" when they added Lindsey Buckingham is because they got "worse" when they changed to the Bob Welch era. they actually started to fall away from their roots with Kiln House and the tree fell over with the next album. I actually can listen to their entire albums/CD's up through Heroes Are Hard to Find but not really after that.
it's strange, but I'm familiar with the Buckingham/Nicks period of songs but own none of the CD's. I don't need to, I can hear them on the radio ad nauseum.
have you ever heard the song "Oh Well"? Some damn fine guitar work there.
that's on the US release of "Then Play On" from 1969, a different version with some fine guitar work but not like what the Buckingham era group did with it.
Yeah...I got that, but by the criteria of the OP, Heart is really the only contender. The only rockers that qualify.
Saw Heart about 5 years ago. Ann still sounds incredible. An amazing voice and tremendous singer.
The Runaways were an all female band, with Joan Jett, Lita Ford, Cherie Currie, Sandy West and Jackie Fox.
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Damn, the Fleetwood Mac debate continues.
yes, it does. for all the popularity brought to the band by Nicks and Buckingham, why no fame for them prior to that?? there biggest accomplishment was fulfillment of a Bob Dylan lyric --- There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all. the "break" for the pair was built on the success of Bob Welch who left for a solo career that quickly fizzled.
Buckingham is an accomplished guitarist but needed an established band for his success, Nicks just needed a boyfriend. the union worked out well for everyone..................for awhile. who can know what might have happened had someone else filled in for Welch, I only know there are plenty of accomplished axe-men from that era who can also sing, just not a much prettier face with such a sweet voice.
There's a great "rockumentary" on Fleetwood Mac. Maybe a VH1 "Behing the Music"? In it several members of the band weigh in, saying they all "hated" each other before their huge success, but musically were a great fit and saw the material they were working on was very good, so they kept it together and made 1975's self titled album, The McVie's divorced and Lindsey and Stevie broke up and the next year they released "Rumours".
Now that they are an "oldies" band they kick out Buckingham. Not cool. He was a huge part in their having all the oldies to still be playing.
I would rather see them with Lindsey and a "sing-a -like" instead of Nicks that what they are offering now.
I am not a misogynist, but having a chick in a Rock-n-Roll band is death to the band, especially a hot chick. and if you think about it, in today's glitzy/glammy world there won't be any no-hot chicks in bands. it's about what you look like and not so much musical talent. Cass Elliot had a voice like an angel but she'd be body-shamed today.
back to girl bands, look at what happened to Heart, the testosterone destroyed them.
a better formula is more along the lines of Led Zeppelin where all the chicks are in the audience during the show and then in the Hotel room afterwards.
Heard about what happened during Def Leppard concerts when Joe Elliot was on stage by himself?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
TUSK!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3Wvfj0zqBDo?list=RDVktTsxZTTAQ
It is a heartbreaker.
Buckingham loses in a landslide.
Oh well.
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
https://youtu.be/gBRwZbAKMpU