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Of possible interest to collectors of Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition medals and so-called dollars.

RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

I recall some questions about Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition medals several months ago. This letter might help. (The pages are press copies of a typed letter.)

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And thy right hand shalt not know what thy left hand is doing! Amen!

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 24, 2019 11:53PM

    @RogerB said:
    I recall some questions about Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition medals several months ago. This letter might help. (The pages are press copies of a typed letter.)

    There is indeed a lot of interest in these So-Called Dollars. It's been reported that the dies for the official medals were done by George Morgan so I wonder if he is the engraver that is referenced in these letters. Also seems this is evidence that the dies may have been created at one of the US Mints. Is there any info on which Mint created the dies?

    Looks like the signature belongs to Frank A. Leach:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_A._Leach

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Alaska. So here is my closest so called dollar


    Best place to buy !
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    I know my pictures suck now but next week I will be in new place with my first full room office to set up a station to take real deal photos.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl....Very nice medals... Those are two I have not seen before.... Cheers, RickO

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl I think this is the first time I've seen an amusement ride on a medal. Nice assortment. Peace Roy

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    @Kkathyl I think this is the first time I've seen an amusement ride on a medal. Nice assortment. Peace Roy

    There are some 1893 Columbian Exposition medals with the original Ferris Wheel.

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2019 10:09PM

    @Zoins said:

    @RogerB said:
    I recall some questions about Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition medals several months ago. This letter might help. (The pages are press copies of a typed letter.)

    "It's been reported that the dies for the official medals were done by George Morgan so I wonder if he is the engraver that is referenced in these letters. Also seems this is evidence that the dies may have been created at one of the US Mints. Is there any info on which Mint created the dies?"

    The phrase "the Engraver" refers only to the "Engraver of the United States Mint at Philadelphia" who was Charles E. Barber. He was the only person with that title, so it was Barber who thought law prohibited creation of the design and dies at Philadelphia.

    Only the Philadelphia Mint was allowed to produce dies of any kind.

    Given the tone and quotation fro legislation, it is reasonable to feel that the Philadelphia Mint produced the exposition dies. Notice they are covered by counterfeiting law.

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2019 8:31PM

    This is a 1974 official US Mint medal where the dies and galvano were produced by the US Mint, but as allowed under Section 4 of the law they were then released to a private firm, Interama Medallions to strike the medals for the Spokane Expo '74.

    An interesting graphic art design by George Tsutakawa. Clouds, sun, trees, river and rocks representing the environment and Spokane falls.

    This is a 5.5 ounce gold plated (vermeil) 2.5 inch .999 silver medal, only +/- 400 were edge numbered and minted this way.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The complete archive volume from which the opening letter was extracted will be available later this week on NNP ..... OOOpps --- does that make it a forbidden commercial ?

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice obverse on the medal. The less said about the reverse the better.

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2019 9:04PM

    @RogerB said:
    Nice obverse on the medal. The less said about the reverse the better.

    Maybe you would prefer his design for the Seattle Exposition in 1962 with a space theme?

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    Nice obverse on the medal. The less said about the reverse the better.

    Obverse meaning left and reverse meaning right?

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The truth is, the vermeil medal with the "reverse" that can't be discussed, was actually placed in the oversize holder sideways (oh, the horror) and is being reoriented by our hosts as we speak. :)

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2019 9:03PM

    @Kkathyl said:
    Alaska. So here is my closest so called dollar

    That’s a great piece. My first year in Alaska was 77 and was downtown during the celebration. I remember it was very cold but had a great time for the fur rondy. Thank you for sharing Kathy.

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2019 9:13PM

    Here is a National Commemorative US Mint medal about Alaska. The Philadelphia mint mark is by his left foot

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @RogerB said:
    Nice obverse on the medal. The less said about the reverse the better.

    Obverse meaning left and reverse meaning right?

    Obverse being on the right - a creative design; Reverse on the left - a nothing design.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2019 8:19AM

    @RogerB said:

    @Zoins said:

    @RogerB said:
    Nice obverse on the medal. The less said about the reverse the better.

    Obverse meaning left and reverse meaning right?

    Obverse being on the right - a creative design; Reverse on the left - a nothing design.

    Ah, that makes more sense. I thought you might have meant something like that because PCGS has the obverse on the left.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It this instance, although the official issuing entity might technically be the obverse, the design side is so vastly superior that no sensible person would display anything else as the obverse. But -- just an opinion. some commemoratives are in the same boat; although the Iowa and South Carolina folks got around it by making both faces so abominably ugly that one might prefer the edge to either obverse or reverse. :)

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2019 12:25PM

    A quick review of Vol 376 suggests that several old assumptions about the Alaska-Yukon medal might be incorrect. This might include the designer, place of manufacture, reasons for changes, etc.

    Anyone can access the file via NNP.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    A quick review of Vol 376 suggests that several old assumptions about the Alaska-Yukon medal might be incorrect. This might include the designer, place of manufacture, reasons for changes, etc.

    Anyone can access the file via NNP.

    Can you provide a link? :)

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2019 10:32AM

    NNP link here: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/archivedetail/512703

    A casual look shows #172, 237, 238, 249 and others relate to the AYP medals. Here's a sample concerning the Engraver.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Suggestion: NNP really needs a much, much better search/find function. People should be able to use plain language, key words, or references to get to materials - and - not have to wade through 50 copies of the same thing. :)

  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another good find by Roger, thanks. I have the Shevlin/Hyder book So-Called Dollars from the Pacific Coast Expositions and went to a presentation by Jeff Shevlin on the subject.

    I have many of the non-AYPE medals and badges designed and made by Joseph Mayer and Brothers, dating back to 1898. I will be doing more research in coming years on the Mayer brothers. In addition to medals, they manufactured many street clocks still in use, sterling flatware, holloware, and souvenir spoons. Their art was an important part of the material culture of the Pacific Northwest.

    Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The incoming letters to Leach might be in RG104 E-229 Boxes 269-285 which cover letters received during CY 1909.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    NNP link here: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/archivedetail/512703

    A casual look shows #172, 237, 238, 249 and others relate to the AYP medals. Here's a sample concerning the Engraver.

    Great reads Roger.

    I found the book: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/566713

    I also noticed that NNP seems kind of hard to navigate. It would be great to have all these OCRed and made searchable.

  • AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lived 25 years in Anchorage and never bought any of that stuff. Did buy a good size container of gold nuggets from up Chicken way.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2019 3:45PM

    OCR, at least in it's present commercial versions, does not work well on these. Irregular character spacing, smearing and other defects result in low word recognition rates. I've tried to get some folks interested in simple ways to improve recognition, but no one is interested - no real money to be made, I guess.

    PS: Readers can download the volume and do their own OCR using Acrobat or other PDF-accessing programs.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The second letter is interesting in that it says "dies made by Mr. Barber". Does this indicate George Morgan didn't engrave the dies as is commonly stated, or that Barber still could have "made" the dies engraved by Morgan?

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Keep looking for additional letters. Sure sounds like Barber was going to make the dies for medals struck in the Treasury exhibit....but --

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