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Its $300 to reholder a Shield coin??

ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 3, 2019 2:47PM in U.S. Coin Forum

What the heck goes into the process these days?

https://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yikes. Don’t drop those.

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    CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭✭

    I hope that was supposed to be $30

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    MattTheRileyMattTheRiley Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it is, but only for coins valued at greater than $100,000.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭✭✭

    why would you need to reholder a GoldShield? I also am thinking it is for ultrararities, but who knows?

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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    robecrobec Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the reholder fee is $12.

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    WCCWCC Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MattTheRiley said:
    Looks like it is, but only for coins valued at greater than $100,000.

    Does the guarantee change? Insurance to cover damage during the reholdering process? (Never heard of that)

    If not, I don't see why the fee should vary.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey, I changed the oil in my beater by myself for the price of the oil and filter. The oil change for the cars others may own run around $300 and they can afford the fee the "cherubs" ask.

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    According to the Internet Archive, that showed up in the capture on 22Feb2019 https://web.archive.org/web/20190222092325/https://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees

    It was not there on 29Oct2018 https://web.archive.org/web/20181029044357/https://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees/

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 3, 2019 10:08PM

    That is a bit much.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... I would think that is a misprint...but if not, there should be a logical explanation. Cheers, RickO

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 4, 2019 5:40AM

    The amount of the authenticity guarantee is so much higher (the amount that PCGS might have to cough up, in extremis, is much higher), so the cost of that "insurance" is so much higher???

    Possibly something like that.

    I realize that it is a reholder, but when do "insurers" not think about getting another premium?

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    gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm sure that's for ultra rarities. It costs $5 per coin to have it holdered gold shield for regular so why in the world would it be $300 to reholder?

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    WCCWCC Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillDugan1959 said:
    The amount of the authenticity guarantee is so much higher (the amount that PCGS might have to cough up, in extremis, is much higher), so the cost of that "insurance" is so much higher???

    Possibly something like that.

    I realize that it is a reholder, but when do "insurers" not think about getting another premium?

    That's what I was thinking in my first post but the PCGS response didn't address it. The coin is already holdered and presumably covered by a guarantee. Did it change? If not, then the fee difference can only be because of the coin's value.

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    batumibatumi Posts: 936 ✭✭✭✭

    Most of the $300 is probably acts as some kind of 'insurance' in case one of these was damaged or God forbid, dropped during the reslabbing process. Jmo.

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    ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HeatherBoyd said:
    Hey all, the reholder fee for coins up to $3,000 is $12 (does not include Gold Shield)
    from $3,000 to $100,000 the fee is $17 (includes Gold Shield)
    $100,000+ the reholder fee is $300 (includes Gold Shield)

    Possible reasons for a reholder: anything from wanting a new generation holder or replacing a holder that has been damaged

    Thanks for clearing it up. The chart is a little confusing with the reholder above it having no shield next to it, makes it seem the shield coins must be in the 300 bracket.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a bit rich. Is it worth it?

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hardly ever drop and damage the holders for my $100,000+ coins.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 4, 2019 12:45PM

    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

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    metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $300 for a oil change? What car?

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the clarification !!! :)

    Timbuk3
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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @metalmeister said:
    $300 for a oil change? What car?

    Ferraris.

    A typical oil change on a Ferrari F430 will run you $500, and about $800 for a Ferrari F360 Modena, or $1100 for a Ferrari F355. This typical oil change needs to occur every 5000 miles or once a year, since most owners don’t drive their cars 5000 miles a year.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2019 3:50AM

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    If the seller of the gasoline thinks there’s a chance of the cars being damaged during refueling, yes. Otherwise, I don’t think your analogy is anywhere close to apples to apples.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    If the seller of the gasoline thinks there’s a chance of the cars being damaged during refueling, yes. Otherwise, I don’t think your analogy is anywhere close to apples to apples.

    Understood, but from a practical stand point, what are the odds of damage? My understanding is that the services have special equipment that can easily separate the two halves and not produce shards to damage the coin.

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    MattTheRileyMattTheRiley Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    Wait, I drive a Toyota, where's this $2.50 per gallon gas you speak of?

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    MattTheRileyMattTheRiley Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    If the seller of the gasoline thinks there’s a chance of the cars being damaged during refueling, yes. Otherwise, I don’t think your analogy is anywhere close to apples to apples.

    Understood, but from a practical stand point, what are the odds of damage? My understanding is that the services have special equipment that can easily separate the two halves and not produce shards to damage the coin.

    Like this?

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2019 3:22PM

    @MattTheRiley said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Understood, but from a practical stand point, what are the odds of damage? My understanding is that the services have special equipment that can easily separate the two halves and not produce shards to damage the coin.

    Like this?

    Even better than that, but that looks handy as well. :D

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    I see it slightly differently....

    The guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 to have valet parking and a spot.

    The guy with the rolls has a valet and spot but pays $75 for it... which one probably is taken care of better....maybe a wider parking spot and more experienced valet....?

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But --- do you get roadside service and towing....?

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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MattTheRiley said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    Wait, I drive a Toyota, where's this $2.50 per gallon gas you speak of?

    Just a little over that here.

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2019 3:14PM

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    If the seller of the gasoline thinks there’s a chance of the cars being damaged during refueling, yes. Otherwise, I don’t think your analogy is anywhere close to apples to apples.

    There's only one way to "fuel a car" at this gas station, so to speak, and they do it probably a thousand times a day, so that's no excuse.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    If the seller of the gasoline thinks there’s a chance of the cars being damaged during refueling, yes. Otherwise, I don’t think your analogy is anywhere close to apples to apples.

    There's only one way to "fuel a car" at this gas station, so to speak, and they do it probably a thousand times a day, so that's no excuse.

    Fair enough. In that case, the owners of the cars that are worth six figures are getting a bargain if they have an attendant fill the tank, have their cars insured against any damage incurred and don’t have to pay a hefty surcharge.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't care if a $100,000 coin costs $300 to re-holder. That's chump change to someone who can afford a $100k coin, and if they don't like it, they can fight their own battles. :tongue:

    What I find interesting is that the price structure is so granular, such that a $99,999 coin is $17, and a coin a dollar higher is $300! Even Uncle Sam eases you into higher tax brackets! :)

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    If the seller of the gasoline thinks there’s a chance of the cars being damaged during refueling, yes. Otherwise, I don’t think your analogy is anywhere close to apples to apples.

    There's only one way to "fuel a car" at this gas station, so to speak, and they do it probably a thousand times a day, so that's no excuse.

    Fair enough. In that case, the owners of the cars that are worth six figures are getting a bargain if they have an attendant fill the tank, have their cars insured against any damage incurred and don’t have to pay a hefty surcharge.

    But is there any coverage? The phrase assumption of risk comes to mind.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    If the seller of the gasoline thinks there’s a chance of the cars being damaged during refueling, yes. Otherwise, I don’t think your analogy is anywhere close to apples to apples.

    There's only one way to "fuel a car" at this gas station, so to speak, and they do it probably a thousand times a day, so that's no excuse.

    Fair enough. In that case, the owners of the cars that are worth six figures are getting a bargain if they have an attendant fill the tank, have their cars insured against any damage incurred and don’t have to pay a hefty surcharge.

    But is there any coverage? The phrase assumption of risk comes to mind.

    For purposes of the analogy, there must be coverage.😉

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dbldie55 said:

    @MattTheRiley said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    Wait, I drive a Toyota, where's this $2.50 per gallon gas you speak of?

    Just a little over that here.

    Much over that here. NZ$2.40 per litre. Someone else can do the math. I’m on holiday...

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2019 9:24PM

    By me in NJ the cheapest is an off-brand for $2.69. That includes about 50¢/gal state tax.

    Helpful link: https://www.gasbuddy.com/

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    Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who decides what is "worth" or "valued"?

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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2019 10:40PM

    @Aotearoa said:

    @dbldie55 said:

    @MattTheRiley said:

    @ms70 said:
    So the guy with the Toyota pays $2.50 per gallon at the pump, but the guy with the Rolls pays $75.00...

    Wait, I drive a Toyota, where's this $2.50 per gallon gas you speak of?

    Just a little over that here.

    Much over that here. NZ$2.40 per litre. Someone else can do the math. I’m on holiday...

    ...that’s about US$6.02 per gallon...but you can probably drive around your entire country a couple times with one tank so it all equals out ;)

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebigeng said:
    Who decides what is "worth" or "valued"?

    PCGS based presumably on its Price Guide (the same thing it uses the calculate the 1% for rarities pricing and for the guarantee premium for reconsideration and crossover submissions).

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    But --- do you get roadside service and towing....?

    And how long do they need to wait for parts...

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebigeng said:
    Who decides what is "worth" or "valued"?

    The owner, mostly. Lots of submitters understate a coin's value to save on return shipping fees or to squeak under the cap of a cheaper service. I have done this many times and never been called on it (but I never tried anything ridiculous).

    The risk is that something happens to the coin. PCGS will never pay more than what the submitter declared.

    As @cameonut2011 said, PCGS determines the value when it comes to 1% premiums, guarantee buybacks, etc. The Price Guide isn't used for those. PCGS arrives at a value based on what a dealer would likely pay.
    Lance.

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