Are die polish lines on a lustrous Morgan dollar confused for the dreaded "cleaned"
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I recently received a "cleaned" designation on a 1881 s Morgan Dollar. Its a nice coin. Lock 66, lusty, struck up like they all are!! Lots of die polish on reverse near the tail that is UNDER the devices not on top. Just asked if you guys and gals ever have experienced this? I cant find the cleaning anywhere. This coin hasn't ever been dipped that I can see..
I am not going to post a picture of the coin for now. Thanks
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I would not think one would easily confuse the two.... but if it’s a bad day? Has not happened to me yet
Can you think of any other possible reason for a cleaned designation other than the obvious die polish lines?
Perhaps you should call CS and send it in for reconsideration... be sure to include why you believe it is not cleaned... and ask for specifics if the TPG still insists it is cleaned. Cheers, RickO
Can't tell without pics.
pics would be useful in seeing what you are talking about
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3dmaZrJx15TbvKPc7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ncjfMXoPabRGoNk27
TPGS's do everything possible to "Straight Grade" your coins. It is good for business. The seller is happy, the submitter is happy, and the TPG$ i$ happy! If your coin is "detailed," it probably is.
BTW, if you don't have the coin in the "right" orientation with the light, you can miss a cleaned coin even with magnification.
Die Polish Striations are Raised above the coin surface, while Cleaning Hairline Sctratches are Recessed into the coin surface.
Die Polish Striations also tend to be more Linear and sub-parallel oriented to one another, as compared to Cleaning Hairline Sctratches which tend to have a more Curved orientation and typically occur in a less organized pattern compared to one another.
10x Magnification will assist you in determining if the lines are raised above or depressed below the coin surface.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Thanks, I can tell they are die polish becasue they are not only raised but dotted lines under magnification... I cant get a detailed picture to point this out. I us an old fashion 60 Watt light bulb to look at my coins raw. Always look for the luster swirl... I may try another service and see what happens.
It may be cheaper to send it back to the TPGS for a review.
It is not only hairlines that reveal a cleaning. Is your coin toned?
A combination of die polish & cleaning can be very tricky.
@TheBigEng If you post a High Resolution image of the subject coin, your fellow forum members may be able to save you the cost of a Resubmission Fee.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
RE: "Are die polish lines on a lustrous Morgan dollar confused for the dreaded 'cleaned?' "
Not by anyone with a basic knowledge of examining coins.
How about it @thebigeng , let us see it
Check the coin under a point light, I bet a light rub will show itself somewhere. I had this happen on a WLH
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It may be cheaper, still, to show it to someone who is qualified and wont charge you for their opinion
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A fine patch of hairlines from cleaning can easily hide among die polishing lines, only revealing itself if the light is just right. Without seeing the coin, I can't tell why it was called cleaned.
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Blast white coin, came from a old roll from the 60's....
THanks everyone..
@thebigeng said: "Blast white coin, came from a old roll from the 60's...."
...that a TPGS said was cleaned. "Blast white was the "thing" back then and we all know how to make something blast white.
If the Polish lines look like dots, it could be that the hairlines are perpendicular to the polish lines.
It's possible, but are you certain that is the only area that is suspect?
I am not going to post a picture of the coin for now. Thanks
due to the BlueVette photo-manipulation thread I am not going to post an answer for now.
Thanks I got my answer. That is to say, good graders know the difference.
PCGS knows the difference between die polish lines and cleaning hairlines. I'm not expert and I can tell. You're in good hands.