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You don't need to see the entire coin to get the correct answer. The poll is PUBLIC - sorry! Take a guess anyway. Hopefully, the advanced collectors will wait to answer. Then they can post the reason for their answer.
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It appears one of the advanced collectors has answered correctly.
So, perhaps @amwldcoin will now take the time to describe the evidence in the image he used to make the correct determination.
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nice and interesting pic
I was going to guess struck through (a cotton thread from a blue work shirt to be specific
) but I changed to a scratched die since the "thread" did not make it into the R.
Can someone elaborate on this phenomenon?
Thx.
I said strikethrough, but was uncomfortable doing so as I'd have thought it should have gone over the R also.
Since one of the advanced collectors has quickly answered correctly perhaps @amwldcoin will now take the time to describe the evidence in the image he used to make the correct determination.
I'm still waiting for @amwldcoin to tell us how he figured this one out. Otherwise, I'll go through the steps.
If it was a post-mintage scratch, it would also be evident as a surface disruption of the top “R” Crossbar — which it is not.
Therefore I conclude that it’s a Strike Through most likely of a thread from a cloth rag used to clean the dies or other equipment used during the minting process.
Stuart
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Yes, we know, but why didn't the thread affect the R?
In reply to the following posted question, because the thread was on the surface of the die, not the incused part of the die, into which the planchet metal flowed which formed what is now a raised “R” surface on the coin.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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The obvious answer so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, it must be something else.
Could it be a defective blank to begin with?
??? I am not able to visualize this...
The surface of the die makes complete contact with the surface of the planchet, whether it is a flat or detailed area. If there is a thread on the die (or on the planchet) it gets squished between them everywhere it exists, whether it is a flat field or otherwise. The thread that is laying across the area that becomes the raised R needs to go somewhere....
BTW - was the poll question edited after the fact?
I thought the first question was "scratched die" not simply a "scratch" (on the coin).
Well if it was a scratch it would continue through the R!
Edit to add...the shape of the strike through and just knowing what they look like.
I guess I misunderstood the purpose of this exercise....
I thought the experts were supposed to refrain from answering, and if they did answer, to at least give an in depth explanation.
Anyway, some random thoughts...
A scratch on the coin would of course also impact the R. A scratch on the die...not necessarily.
In any case, I agree that it has all the characteristics of a struck through, but I am still wondering where the thread went that was in the area that was struck up to become the R. The thread's imprint is visible in the fields near the R and inside the lop of the R. So what happened to the thread that would have been struck into the R itself?
If you want to tell me that it was small enough that it was ground up and disintegrated as it was stretched into the die I might buy that, but I wont accept the explanation that it just magically disappeared.
I'm guessing, if we were allowed to look closer, there may be evidence of a few threads through the R, maybe stretched and broken by the die itself? Much of that evidence might be masked by the rough/cameo surface of the letter, though. Looking at the rim, you can kind of see that the thread starts to merge with the rough nature of the rim....
Now that's an explanation that makes sense to me.
Looks like a strike thru but not a thread. A thread would be a uniform thickness and would show the twist of the thread down in the valley, a piece of wire would also be uniform. Best chance this would be called struck thru wire if graded. The wire is a piece of metal that may have come from the edge of a coin as it hit the collar on ejection.
Just my 2 cents
Interesting. Maybe the scrap melded with the metal that flowed into the R, and remained separate and fell away where it was struck into the fields.
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Strike through in think. A scratch on the die may/may not affect the area of the R and wouldn't a scratch on the die show up as a raised area n the coin. Hard to say from the picture but it does not look raised.
Looking closely at the, keyed scratch, (LoL sry). its 3 strikes , looking at each incrusion, each are touching
in a different manner so to speak. Another way to describe its action, the 2 in front are climbing up its image
area. However its a guess in the right direction. The other looks as a felt or lace surface. Made for a deva or just bling.
I went for the strike through... though I wavered for a while... the rim detail is what convinced me...Cheers, RickO
This is a strik thru. Members have explained how to tell. Very often the defect does not carry on to the relief because the strike obliterates it or it can be seen on just the sides of the relief when the piece is tilted under high magnification. Close exam of the inside of the mark will also reveal it is not a scratch.
Does a strike through like this help the value of this coin or hurt the value of this coin?
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Good question because, I have a few coins with these and assumed they were scratches, and I think they are all on proof coins as well.
Depends. It hurts the value to most collectors but I know of at least two collectors who purchase any modern bullion or coin with the tiniest strike thru to send in for slabbing! When they go to sell (unless the marks are large as this one) they are going to be VERY disappointed when no one cares to pay a premium!
I would guess that it was struck through two seperate pieces, rather than one continuous piece.
If it was one piece, the struck through area would continue through the field next to the letters. On this piece, however, there is a space of unimpacted field between the struck through area and the lettering. The struck through would also likely be seen in the lettering, even with the laser frosted surface.