Question about 1915 HK-422 U.S. Expositions So-Called Dollar

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SG58
SG58 Posts: 63 ✭✭✭


These HK-422's are usually seen in gilt bronze. I don't see this one listed in Jeff Shevlin's book. Is this a different variety or has the gilt been removed and somebody silver plated it?

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  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,257 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019 2:54AM
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    IF the piece was at one time gilt (gold plated), then it would be possible to silver plate over the gold without having to remove the gold. In fact, the gold plating would make a good substrate for silver plating over it.

    However, somehow the piece shown doesn't necessarily look plated to me.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice SC... does not have the look of a plated item...Is it an item you own? What does the edge look like? Cheers, RickO

  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    agreed, check the edge.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • SG58
    SG58 Posts: 63 ✭✭✭
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    Here is the reverse. The reverse is rotated 90 degrees (or so) to a medal turn. The edge is a completely plain silver/gray color. No embossing or numerals of any kind. Weighs in at 20.5 grams, 35.6 mm. Could be a white metal counterfeit.

  • keets
    keets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    weigh it but I think it is Silver.

  • SG58
    SG58 Posts: 63 ✭✭✭
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    20.5 grams

  • keets
    keets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019 1:10PM
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    at 36mm. that may mean it is bronze, but you can check the weight of a known metal medal.

  • jonathanb
    jonathanb Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Intriguing piece. I also considered whether it might be a counterfeit. Based on the pictures, I think it isn't a counterfeit.. but that doesn't get me any closer to saying what it is.

  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unusually ugly and cluttered - what committee designed it?

  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019 10:34PM
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    I like the design. The golden gate motif is nice and it provides and insight into what was important back then.

    It's not a single, strong allegorical design, but then I appreciate differences in design. Not every era needs to value the same designs.

  • THOMAS655
    THOMAS655 Posts: 65 ✭✭✭
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    To my eye, the lettering and numbering on the reverse appears to be different. Especially the year and city names for Chicago, St Louis, Nashville, Atlanta and Omaha appear to be thicker than my example. The 8's and the 9's in the date appear to be filled in round areas of the numbers like the medal might have been plated.

  • SG58
    SG58 Posts: 63 ✭✭✭
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    These pictures appear to be the same medal. It now appears to me that it was gilt bronze that was silver plated. The medal was dipped to remove dark toning and spots to lighten it up. The original pictures appear to show some slight evidence of the gilt layer, which is not apparent now. John Raymond's 2018 tally of SCD population on his website shows an entry for "HK-422 silver plate", but there are no items indicated there. This observation seems to be in line with what others have indicated.

  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,168 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks silver plated to me. Do a specific gravity test.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.

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