Time to play "DID IT STICKER?"
Our first contender comes in at NGC 66
DID IT STICKER?
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At 66 no.
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No
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I hope not.
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Nope
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No
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If it did, another reason I don't value CAC. If I want oil gunk, there is still a lot of it left over in the Gulf coast.
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Clean fields, sufficient luster, above average strike, and sewer/flood remnant looking toning? I'd wager a sticker.
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It looks like @washingtonrainbows beat me to it and phrased it more artfully. This type of toning is no impediment to a sticker by itself.
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@cameonut2011 said:
Clean fields, sufficient luster, above average strike, and sewer/flood remnant looking toning? I'd wager a sticker.+1
...it would not get a sticker from me (and quite a few others as seen so far) due to the seemingly unattractive toning, but I’d wager CAC likes it (and it looks to be at least a B for the grade).2 -
no
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I’d guess yes as it is a technically nice coin. My personal opinion is that stickers mean more on some coin series than others. When it comes to Peace dollars, what JA likes and what I like are often very different. Notwithstanding that, I have plenty to learn and defer to his ability to steer clear of problem coins.
In any case, the market very clearly favors blast white Peace dollars and this look is not one that would tempt me.
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Yes but I wouldn’t want to own it
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No, Because it lacks the Eye Appeal required for the coin to commercially warrant an MS-66 price.
Stuart
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I've had gem seated coins rejected by CAC back in 2008 for a lot less than what this coin has. Who can say if that black gunk is not into the metal?
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Your question would be much easier to answer if you’d show us an Obverse Slab Photo!! 🤣😂 LOL!!
Stuart
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If we find out CAC has just been a prank, a lotta people are gonna be mad.
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66??? grader must have been under some influence...
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@topstuf said:
If we find out CAC has just been a prank, a lotta people are gonna be mad....almost as many as half of those that are mad because it isn’t
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...and the coin obviously stickered or the OP wouldn’t have a thread
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I would give it a big no for the Certified Acceptance Corporation sticker.
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@3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:
...and the coin obviously stickered or the OP wouldn’t have a threadI was going to start with a non cac coin but some would have assumed that, and some might have. But then I went level 2 double reverse psychology. Someone will always be right playing the logic game. Thing is now you wont have a clue what the next one will obviously be. And none after that if i play it right.
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@ACop said:
@3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:
...and the coin obviously stickered or the OP wouldn’t have a threadI was going to start with a non cac coin but some would have assumed that, and some might have. But then I went level 2 double reverse psychology. Someone will always be right playing the logic game. Thing is now you wont have a clue what the next one will obviously be. And none after that if i play it right.
I also didnt say WHICH sticker. Theres plenty out there.
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@topstuf said:
If we find out CAC has just been a prank, a lotta people are gonna be mad.That would be hilarious.
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This is where I think the PQ sticker guy, Barry Stuppler (sp?) had it right. His sticker accounted for commercial grade AND eye appeal such that a truly hideous coin would never sticker notwithstanding its technical attributes. I wish CAC would consider this approach, but obviously it can do whatever it wishes. Based on announced standards, it is "CAC quality" and meets their standards (although not mine or that of many buyers I would think).
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That coin is an embarrassment to CAC and is not a unique example.
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@PerryHall said:
That coin is an embarrassment to CAC and is not a unique example.It is far from the worst I have seen. My favorite was a MS68 Mercury Dime with a toned over staple scratch with a sticker!
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It appeared to have a scratch below the obverse 'crapola'....I guess not.... Nice technical quality though....Cheers, RickO
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No.
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No
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Although the coin resides in a current generation slab, I wonder if the Dark Brown “Tarnish” appeared after CAC Certification as some type of subsequent Environmental Damage?
Stuart
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Looks like a technically very clean coin with good luster and some dirt marks here and there — I don’t see why everyone is upset about the sticker. CAC stickers dirty coins all the time that are all there in the grade/luster department.
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luster bomb!
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My philosophy more in line with Barry.
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@ARCO said:
If it did, another reason I don't value CAC. If I want oil gunk, there is still a lot of it left over in the Gulf coast.If you're not buying sight-unseen, how is that relevant?
I pity the fool who doesn't think, or worse, can't imagine, that killer-white 66's trade for a $50 premium over CAC's bid prices. for a "B" coin.
@Stuart said:
Although the coin resides in a current generation slab, I wonder if the Dark Brown “Tarnish” appeared after CAC Certification as some type of subsequent Environmental Damage?The black rims and "seepage" inward are familiar to me as roll toning. The nuances of shifts of shading with underlying (unruined) lustre contra-indicate ED burn.
@cameonut2011 said:
This is where I think the PQ sticker guy, Barry Stuppler (sp?) had it right. His sticker accounted for commercial grade AND eye appeal such that a truly hideous coin would never sticker notwithstanding its technical attributes. I wish CAC would consider this approach, but obviously it can do whatever it wishes. Based on announced standards, it is "CAC quality" and meets their standards (although not mine or that of many buyers I would think).There is a court battle to see whether the copyright for that phrase belongs to the Democrats or Republicans.
They're serious folks and neither cares that much about collateral damage, so perhaps self-stifling is prudent.
Well, Roger Stone wouldn't listen either
The coin has full blazing lustre with what appears to be a translucent blue film. This is not great lustre only because the date comes A+ so often. I think that, despite all those virtues, 90% of collectors would quickly pass and the others would be quite accepting of its originality.
On self-stifling as a subset of self-preservation:
Hideous?
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I might not want it in my collection, but I have no problem with that coin stickered as a 66.
If original surfaces are rewarded, it might keep some hack from messing with other original coins.
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Certainly didn't sticker as a blast white. Fugly, yes.
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This is an example of where, from my personal experience, CAC tends to give NGC-graded coins more green-bean leniency that just leaves me shaking my head, and that's all I'll say about the matter.
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@CharlotteDude said:
This is an example of where, from my personal experience, CAC tends to give NGC-graded coins more green-bean leniency that just leaves me shaking my head, and that's all I'll say about the matter.I have seen plenty of ugly PCGS/CAC coins too. I haven't seen where NGC has had a monopoly on that phenomenon nor have I seen evidence of sticker bias/leniency.
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Still no for me
I support CAC, but I would pass on this coin.
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My following quoted earlier post was an attempt to convey the theme of what John Albanese (CAC) discussed in the following CoinWeek👇Podcast On Coin Grading, which I found to be very enlightening and informative.
> @Stuart said:No, Because it lacks the Eye Appeal required for the coin to commercially warrant an MS-66 price.
”Talking CAC Coins, the Future of Grading with John Albanese”
Stuart
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The 1923 MS66 shown just not a coin I believe could move. Buyers want material well struck with nice luster no unattractive toning. Many prefer brilliant white coins lots of blast.
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@Stuart said:
My following quoted earlier post was an attempt to convey the theme of what John Albanese (CAC) discussed in the following CoinWeek👇Podcast On Coin Grading, which I found to be very enlightening and informative.
> @Stuart said:No, Because it lacks the Eye Appeal required for the coin to commercially warrant an MS-66 price.
”Talking CAC Coins, the Future of Grading with John Albanese”I found the podcast enlightening too. JA states very clearly that he considers the market grade and won't sticker a coin that isn't worth the label grade value even if academic arguments could be made for the technical grade. Using that criteria, it seems bizarre that this would sticker.
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Is the floor open for round 2? I’ve got some crusty originals to play.
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Seeing a coin graded and then stickered like that, lowers the value of my CAC (and NGC) coins in my opinion. Disappointing.
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All three went to CAC, which stickered?
A.) 1838 PCGS VF25
B.) 1873 PCGS VF20
C.) 1854 NGC VF35
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The 20
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@CircCam said:
All three went to CAC, which stickered?A.) 1838 PCGS VF25
B.) 1873 PCGS VF20
C.) 1854 NGC VF35
A
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