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Costs to mint U.S. coins still going up...

SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

...as recently reported in Coin World.

"During Fiscal Year 2018, the cost for producing and distributing a copper-plated zinc Lincoln cent was 2.06 cents; for the copper-nickel Jefferson 5-cent coin, 7.53 cents; for the copper-nickel clad Roosevelt dime, 3.73 cents; and for the copper-nickel clad America the Beautiful quarter dollars, 8.87 cents each."

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2019/05/costs-continue-to-rise-for-circulating-coins.html

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  • coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    why not make a 2 cent piece, there are enough cents in circulation to break it down

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Legislation to eliminate the problems has been proposed, but I don't know it's status.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2019 1:55PM

    Keep the clad quarter.
    Make the new dime the same size as the old nickel except thinner. (same material)
    Make the 2 cent piece out of copper and the size of the old dime. (solid copper)

    Collect & destroy all the old pennies, nickels & dimes.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ReadyFireAim said:
    Keep the clad quarter.
    Make the new dime the same size as the old nickel except thinner. (same material)
    Make the 2 cent piece out of copper and the size of the old dime. (solid copper)

    Collect & destroy all the old pennies, nickels & dimes.

    There is no reason to collect and destroy them other than the size confusion you introduced. The dime is already cost effective and need not be changed. Just make the 2 cent piece hexagonal or something.

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  • philographerphilographer Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2019 4:27PM

    Hmmm how much do they make in printing a $100 bill? 😜

    (Yes I know BEP is different from the Mint)

    He who knows he has enough is rich.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This has been going on for years... perhaps they are cost averaging, considering loss on the cent and nickel, covered by dime and quarter.... Will certainly be interesting if/when a change is made....Cheers, RickO

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    This has been going on for years... perhaps they are cost averaging, considering loss on the cent and nickel, covered by dime and quarter.... Will certainly be interesting if/when a change is made....Cheers, RickO

    ... or trying to make up the loss with more volume.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen.... Yes... they lose a little on every coin, but make it up in volume :D Cheers, RickO

  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Government and real world bookkeeping is a farce just like them supposably making a budget.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Making these observations may lead down the path to a decision where hard currency is no longer produced. The government will just point to the costs involved and the savings. Once everything goes to electronic transactions, all "money" will become collectible.

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nonsense.

    It does not cost nearly twice as much to make a dime as a cent. They've merely shifted the costs of making billions of less than worthless pennies to other denominations.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's what consumers want and that's the cost.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019 3:14PM

    @cladking said:
    Nonsense.

    It does not cost nearly twice as much to make a dime as a cent. They've merely shifted the costs of making billions of less than worthless pennies to other denominations.

    It might.

    ZINC is $2.62 per kg, about $1.2 per pound.

    Copper is $2.64 per pound

    Nickel is $12 per kg which is about 5.50 per pound.

    In round numbers, a dime is 92% copper and 8% nickel with a total weight of 2.3 grams. That's 1.5 cents in metal

    A cent is 98% zinc and weighs 2.5 grams. That's 0.7 cents in metal.

    That is half the cost difference right there. Planchet prep and die costs need only be 0.8 cents higher for dimes

    The fixed costs are distributed over roughly 3x as many cents making the fixed costs cheaper for cents.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The cost of producing the cent and nickel has not gone up. The value of the dollar has gone down. End the Fed.

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    The cost of producing the cent and nickel has not gone up. The value of the dollar has gone down. End the Fed.

    Can you please explain?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:

    @privatecoin said:
    The cost of producing the cent and nickel has not gone up. The value of the dollar has gone down. End the Fed.

    Can you please explain?

    Inflation. But here come the politics.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019 3:23PM

    @privatecoin said:
    The cost of producing the cent and nickel has not gone up. The value of the dollar has gone down. End the Fed.

    Yawn.

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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It gives mint employees jobs and a fun place to work with benefits and retirement. it offers mason jar companies plenty of business as people use them to fill the mostly useless coins up with. :)

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    Legislation to eliminate the problems has been proposed, but I don't know it's status.

    no offense intended here, but I find that statement hilarious. Reminds me of the phrase, "I'm from the government and I am here to help."

    Legislation to eliminate problems, LOL.

    Yeah, I don't trust them.

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not so bad. We could be dealing with this !

  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 795 ✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    Legislation to eliminate the problems has been proposed, but I don't know it's status.

    That's the issue. In the US all changes to coinage have to be done through legislation, so nothing gets done.

  • 3stars3stars Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just how does Canada get by without the cent? I would have thought their economy would have crashed by now without it

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2019 1:27PM

    Good legislation, enacted by representatives intent on the common good and personal responsibility, can easily yield direct and indirect benefits. Some might be in monetary savings, others in better services or more efficient use of resources.

    The coinage legislation removes the direct cause of waste, provides for equitable accommodation of cash customers, and adds a $5 coin made from titanium (a 'sintered' planchet !! ) to facilitate vending machine transactions and reduce costs of manufactures related to paper currency acceptors.

    Short-term thinking, political posturing and, especially, intrusive manipulation of representatives by businesses, commonly frustrate the positive aspects.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @3stars said:
    just how does Canada get by without the cent? I would have thought their economy would have crashed by now without it

    I get their cents all the time down here in NJ.

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