Using the optimal/maximal color and brightness settings for 2-D is an art based on science. 3-D can be hinked-up to the point of somewhat believable distortion.
The rest is image by image. I assure you @Realone's image of his own personal uber-cool 1822 10c PCGS MS65 CAC is more congenial than his $1 scan from the 1960's auction plate.
Lots of us deal with $5000 and up coins where next-day shipping is $50+ coast-to-coast or slower priority-registered. Pictures help. If you aren't talking to the person who sent you the picture about what it shows or doesn't, you have not done your due diligence before agreeing to receive it. Blame your own laziness or irresponsibility. You will also be lied to.
If you're not willing to pay a 1% kill fee (being on the hook for return postage is not, for non-wholesale, usually the case) to see a coin your dealer thinks you'll like, you shouldn't bother.
Amped stuff is irritating. Have you had your own personal vision assessment to see what band-widths you most and least easily perceive? More optical receptors at varying levels of intensity of orange-yellow or blue-indigo?
And there is much to be said about the plethora of practices designed to mislead you. Amping is an inaccuracy-inducing misrepresentation. I KNOW that O/C's color can be done. But in this specific case, likely not in my lifetime, and by a virtuous female..
Ebay or your random web-site. No answer. I'd imagine postal rates are suggesting whatever pre-shipping contact/product augmentation the vendor supplies, but I'd imagine you're stuck with that one anomalous image much more often than not.
@ColonelJessup said:
It's fascinating to watch two people troll each other.
Neither of them is very good at it, but both of them are so easy that they manage to get the worst out of each other with a minimum of effort
And you should know since you are such an angel. Maybe a pot stirrer would be better than angel.
ROFLMAO. A veteran dealer with a sweet heart, bad attitude and a shit-load vast store of knowledge shows up with the avatar of a hero who's a villain (just like every cop's a criminal, and all the sinners' saints).
Of course I'm a troll. Moses was a troll for freedom, Jesus fished the Galilee, Mohammed burned through the desert, Luther trolled the Pope, and Mohandas and Martin trolled for peoples' souls.
Then there's @specialist, @insider2, @Coinstartled , myself and Mick Jagger representing the Illuminati.
Diogenes is still out there too.
And Guderian and his tanks. ,
And Twitter
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@Realone said:
It appears that I have my own definition of juiced and you have your own. All I know is glamour shots are not real. And my definition of juices is one the photographer takes a shot at a certain angle with extreme light and captures a coin at its very best, but in hand it takes an incredible effort to match that same angle and same lighting, thus you never see the coin under those exact tight conditions. The photo should be taken pretty much straight on just as you would view it in hand as in reality. Sure a slight angle to capture some of the luster and color but not only one angle lit up that cannot be duplicated without great difficulty.
imo
Then most coins would look dull. AFAIK, the aim of the auction house is to get the most money. If that calls for twisting the coin into an impossible condition (88 degree angle with an Arc Light), all's fair in love and auction images. For example, I could image the "Golden Egg" straight on under florescent light and it would look stained and ugly!
Have you checked out the depth of the decolletage of the Off-Center piece.
I'm going to recalibrate my analysis of the SP66 and Mrs. Carter's glutes
Jay-Z's the perfect customer for total full-strike Standing Quarters.
Gad! I'm not just a troll. I'm a pig too
I hope my fellow Medicare subscribers will join me in a moment of grandiosely optimistic nostalgia
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@ColonelJessup said:
Have you checked out the depth of the decolletage of the Off-Center piece.
I'm going to recalibrate my analysis of the SP66 and Mrs. Carter's glutes
Jay-Z's the perfect customer for total full-strike Standing Quarters.
Gad! I'm not just a troll. I'm a pig too
I hope my fellow Medicare subscribers will join me in a moment of grandiosely optimistic nostalgia
@ColonelJessup said:
Have you checked out the depth of the decolletage of the Off-Center piece.
I'm going to recalibrate my analysis of the SP66 and Mrs. Carter's glutes
Jay-Z's the perfect customer for total full-strike Standing Quarters.
Gad! I'm not just a troll. I'm a pig too
I hope my fellow Medicare subscribers will join me in a moment of grandiosely optimistic nostalgia
What?
You aren't really a 73-year-old virgin, right?
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@TwoKopeiki Thanks for reposting @WingedLiberty1957 ‘s following exceptionally well though-out & well written thread on Phil Arnold’s PCGS TrueView photos of Colorfully Toned Coins!!😁
This is a great Reference Thread!!👍
@WingedLiberty1957 said:
I have been a collector of colorfully toned coins for a bit over 1.5 years and have learned a lot about this interesting sub-field of numismatics in that time. During this time, my primary coin photographer has been Phil at PCGS TrueView. Over the past few weeks, I have been amazed to read (on various posts by a few people on a few different coin forums), how some collectors think that PCGS TrueVeiw photos are "juiced" "oversaturated", "unrealistic", or "enhanced".
I have to say that I have probably had over 200 TrueView photos taken for me over the past 18 months and I have never had any photos taken that did not capture the look of the coin -- most typically seen at the optimal viewing angle -- defining "optimal" as the viewing angle that "max's out" the coins color. All of the PCGS TrueView photos I have received, were totally accurate and completely captured the look of the coin at the optimal viewing angle.
One fact that perhaps some collectors might overlook is that a single photo does not (and can not) capture the full spectrum of looks that a colorfully toned coin might show. For that you would need perhaps 5 to 10 photos of a coin (or perhaps a video would be better showing a nearly infinite spread of viewing and lighting angles). So when I see people post that they do NOT find TrueView photos "representative" of a coin, my jaw drops.
Yesterday, it began to dawn on me that perhaps many of the people that think that PCGS TrueViews are not "realistic" don't realize how DIFFERENT colorfully toned coins can look at various view angles. As you tip and tilt a toned coin under the light, the colors and look CHANGES, sometimes drastically. So when a photographer is hired to produce single photo (as is the case for PCGS TrueView), the photographer has to CHOOSE which of the coins various looks to capture in the image.
Most of us "color" lovers typically WANT the photographer to max out the color (even if a coin only shows that color at one special viewing and lighting angle). So this kind of photographing philosophy (maxing the color) might be just assumed by most photographers (as sort of a default) as to what the owner of a colorfully toned coin wants. I have to say, if you don't want that, say something!
Finally, I wanted to add that if you ever SELL a colorfully toned coin, you should always provide a number of photographs showing the various "looks" of the coin from different angles. This is not only good from the point of disclosure, but also helps mitigate returns from disappointed buyers who bought based on a single photo.
If you ever BUY a colorfully toned coin, based on a single photo, realize that the photo shown probably is a maximum color view of the coin and the coin could look more muted from other view angles (esp from straight on). So in this case, an air-tight return policy is in order so you can examine the hundreds of "looks" of the coin in-hand before you decide to keep it.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@scubafuel said:
I’m with @realone on this one.
For me, a juiced image Is any that does not show the coin as it appears to my eyes (or any eyes) in hand, straight on, in good light. It does not have to be edited in post processing to be “juiced”, just sufficiently far away from “yeah, that’s the same coin”.
Many of the true view glamour shots are such that they give me no sense of what the coin looks like in hand. If you buy a coin based on a shot taken in this style, you’ll be disappointed most of the time. However once you OWN the coin, I can see how this type of shot becomes very desirable.
@scubafuel said:
I’m with @realone on this one.
For me, a juiced image Is any that does not show the coin as it appears to my eyes (or any eyes) in hand, straight on, in good light. It does not have to be edited in post processing to be “juiced”, just sufficiently far away from “yeah, that’s the same coin”.
Many of the true view glamour shots are such that they give me no sense of what the coin looks like in hand. If you buy a coin based on a shot taken in this style, you’ll be disappointed most of the time. However once you OWN the coin, I can see how this type of shot becomes very desirable.
I'm with TDN on this one. To me, a "glamour shot" is not synonymous with a "juiced" image. I think of the latter as one which has had the color and/or luster manipulated/enhanced, and not just by tilting the coin and/or using optimal lighting conditions.
Yep.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The end result though in both cases is that I'm looking at an image which is barely recognizable next to the coin in-hand. Gives me fits whether the trickery was done with tilt, light and lens or digital manipulation after-the-fact.
The end result though in both cases is that I'm looking at an image which is barely recognizable next to the coin in-hand. Gives me fits whether the trickery was done with tilt, light and lens or digital manipulation after-the-fact.
I get yours as well.
Juiced to me is an attempt to deceive. A glamour shot is exactly that. A shot taken to show the coin in the best possible light. Same as a photographer taking a head shot of a human. We all tend to have our better side.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@ColonelJessup Thanks for your following quoted post, allowing me to justifiably bring back the famous Jerome Lester Horwitz aka Curly Howard for another “Cameo” (pun intended) appearance in this thread.🤣😂
@ColonelJessup said:
Have you checked out the depth of the decolletage of the Off-Center piece.
I'm going to recalibrate my analysis of the SP66 and Mrs. Carter's glutes
Jay-Z's the perfect customer for total full-strike Standing Quarters.
Gad! I'm not just a troll. I'm a pig too
I hope my fellow Medicare subscribers will join me in a moment of grandiosely optimistic nostalgia
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@ColonelJessup said:
Interestingly, my Mom's maiden name was Horowitz. He looks sorta like my long-lost cousin Jerry, but that's not a Jersey Shore accent.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Nice coin. The first hubbing of a Draped Bust working die around October of 1795 was a little off-center, this was corrected by Scot, Voigt, and Eckfeldt on all subsequent Draped Bust coins of all denominations.
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
I viewed that coin and examined it closely in hand 17 years ago. The toning is real and spectacular! That said, TDN’s replacement for it totally blows that OP one away.👍
@cardinal said:
I viewed that coin and examined it closely in hand 17 years ago. The toning is real and spectacular! That said, TDN’s replacement for it totally blows that OP one away.👍
It's an amazing coin, nobody is arguing this point, but do you believe it to be original, 200+ year-old toning?
@cardinal said:
I viewed that coin and examined it closely in hand 17 years ago. The toning is real and spectacular! That said, TDN’s replacement for it totally blows that OP one away.👍
It's an amazing coin, nobody is arguing this point, but do you believe it to be original, 200+ year-old toning?
I’ve traced the provenance of that piece back further than its appearance in the Knoxville Collection, and there is consistency in the toning. Could it have been dipped over a hundred years ago? No one has any records of that happening.
The coin has always been seen as a gem. Before it was crossed over to PCGS-MS65, it was graded by NGC as MS66!
Since I’ve not had the pleasure of viewing the subject coin in person, and can only attempt to interpret the PCGS TrueView photos posted earlier in this thread, IMHO this spectacular coin seems to exhibit a light Cameo Contrast between Frosty Devices and perhaps also Flashy Luster in the fields.
I’d appreciate your (and/or others’) literal “hands on examination experience” feedback regarding this interpretation based solely on the photos.
I viewed that coin and examined it closely in hand 17 years ago. The toning is real and spectacular! That said, TDN’s replacement for it totally blows that OP one away.👍
It's an amazing coin, nobody is arguing this point, but do you believe it to be original, 200+ year-old toning?
I’ve traced the provenance of that piece back further than its appearance in the Knoxville Collection, and there is consistency in the toning. Could it have been dipped over a hundred years ago? No one has any records of that happening.
The coin has always been seen as a gem. Before it was crossed over to PCGS-MS65, it was graded by NGC as MS66!
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@cardinal said:
I viewed that coin and examined it closely in hand 17 years ago. The toning is real and spectacular! That said, TDN’s replacement for it totally blows that OP one away.👍
It's an amazing coin, nobody is arguing this point, but do you believe it to be original, 200+ year-old toning?
I’ve traced the provenance of that piece back further than its appearance in the Knoxville Collection, and there is consistency in the toning. Could it have been dipped over a hundred years ago? No one has any records of that happening.
The coin has always been seen as a gem. Before it was crossed over to PCGS-MS65, it was graded by NGC as MS66!
1) That coin has the exact same toning pattern and color intensities that I would expect if someone had chemically treated a gem coin 50 or 100 years ago. Consider much Newman silver.
2) That coin has the exact same toning pattern and color intensities that I would expect if no one had chemically treated that coin in the last 150 years or so.
You can take both as definitive
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@Realone said:
Obviously same coins, but isn't it amazing that the bottom photo makes the viewer think there is a lot of wear and no luster where as the PCGS does the exact opposite. WOW is all I can say, photos can be so misleading it ain't funny.
Isn’t the bottom image a scan?
Aren’t they both PCGS? One a True View and one a Secure Plus scan?
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Realone said:
Obviously same coins, but isn't it amazing that the bottom photo makes the viewer think there is a lot of wear and no luster where as the PCGS does the exact opposite. WOW is all I can say, photos can be so misleading it ain't funny.
Isn’t the bottom image a scan?
Aren’t they both PCGS? One a True View and one a Secure Plus scan?
m
Yes, they are PCGS TrueView and SecurePlus. Given the variability in results, it's nice to have more than one view.
@cardinal said:
I viewed that coin and examined it closely in hand 17 years ago. The toning is real and spectacular! That said, TDN’s replacement for it totally blows that OP one away.👍
It's an amazing coin, nobody is arguing this point, but do you believe it to be original, 200+ year-old toning?
I’ve traced the provenance of that piece back further than its appearance in the Knoxville Collection, and there is consistency in the toning. Could it have been dipped over a hundred years ago? No one has any records of that happening.
The coin has always been seen as a gem. Before it was crossed over to PCGS-MS65, it was graded by NGC as MS66!
1) That coin has the exact same toning pattern and color intensities that I would expect if someone had chemically treated a gem coin 50 or 100 years ago. Consider much Newman silver.
2) That coin has the exact same toning pattern and color intensities that I would expect if no one had chemically treated that coin in the last 150 years or so.
You can take both as definitive
I'm just pointing out for people saying this is not secondary toning that this is album toning and albums were introduced in 1930.
I can't go into an enumeration of how many different storage environments various sorts of coins have gone through.
Suffice it to say that coin storage media have been evolving for half a millennium,.
Cynics (or perhaps those no longer naïve about the Sniffer) will note that livers of sulfur is not just a cure for mange.
The delivery system(s) induce various pattern easily mimicked in some situations.
The only way to not get fooled is to through out a few babies with the bathwater.
I hope you can take this ambiguity as definitive
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
The delivery system(s) induce various pattern easily mimicked in some situations.
Very few long term (100+ years) toning patterns are successfully mimicked by using sulfur-based accellerants, in my opinion.
Based on my experience. It's not the color patterns that are difficult; it's finding planchets in various states of surviving health. You'll have more than one try at a 1905 50c, but a granularly frosty Heraldic 50c from a hundred years previously is very unlikely to have enough skin to take more than one hit of whatever your "prep" process is corroding artfully.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
The TV's look to me like they are made with the lighting source on the same axis as the lens. I've had similar results with axial lighting on coins I have with nice secondary toning. No playing with saturation or color spectrum necessary. But, I will say that axial lighting picks out surface imperfections with brutal clarity... and I'm not seeing any on this coin.
Comments
I always thought that "juiced" definition in photography referred purely to oversaturated images.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Using the optimal/maximal color and brightness settings for 2-D is an art based on science. 3-D can be hinked-up to the point of somewhat believable distortion.
The rest is image by image. I assure you @Realone's image of his own personal uber-cool 1822 10c PCGS MS65 CAC is more congenial than his $1 scan from the 1960's auction plate.
Lots of us deal with $5000 and up coins where next-day shipping is $50+ coast-to-coast or slower priority-registered. Pictures help. If you aren't talking to the person who sent you the picture about what it shows or doesn't, you have not done your due diligence before agreeing to receive it. Blame your own laziness or irresponsibility. You will also be lied to.
If you're not willing to pay a 1% kill fee (being on the hook for return postage is not, for non-wholesale, usually the case) to see a coin your dealer thinks you'll like, you shouldn't bother.
Amped stuff is irritating. Have you had your own personal vision assessment to see what band-widths you most and least easily perceive? More optical receptors at varying levels of intensity of orange-yellow or blue-indigo?
And there is much to be said about the plethora of practices designed to mislead you. Amping is an inaccuracy-inducing misrepresentation. I KNOW that O/C's color can be done. But in this specific case, likely not in my lifetime, and by a virtuous female..
Ebay or your random web-site. No answer. I'd imagine postal rates are suggesting whatever pre-shipping contact/product augmentation the vendor supplies, but I'd imagine you're stuck with that one anomalous image much more often than not.
ROFLMAO. A veteran dealer with a sweet heart, bad attitude and a shit-load vast store of knowledge shows up with the avatar of a hero who's a villain (just like every cop's a criminal, and all the sinners' saints).
Of course I'm a troll. Moses was a troll for freedom, Jesus fished the Galilee, Mohammed burned through the desert, Luther trolled the Pope, and Mohandas and Martin trolled for peoples' souls.
Then there's @specialist, @insider2, @Coinstartled , myself and Mick Jagger representing the Illuminati.
,
Diogenes is still out there too.
And Guderian and his tanks.
And Twitter
Then most coins would look dull.
AFAIK, the aim of the auction house is to get the most money. If that calls for twisting the coin into an impossible condition (88 degree angle with an Arc Light), all's fair in love and auction images. For example, I could image the "Golden Egg" straight on under florescent light and it would look stained and ugly! 
Have you checked out the depth of the decolletage of the Off-Center piece.
I'm going to recalibrate my analysis of the SP66 and Mrs. Carter's glutes
Jay-Z's the perfect customer for total full-strike Standing Quarters.
Gad! I'm not just a troll. I'm a pig too
I hope my fellow Medicare subscribers will join me in a moment of grandiosely optimistic nostalgia
What?
You aren't really a 73-year-old virgin, right?
Guilty but I Just turned '74. Still don't understand the post either.
@TwoKopeiki Thanks for reposting @WingedLiberty1957 ‘s following exceptionally well though-out & well written thread on Phil Arnold’s PCGS TrueView photos of Colorfully Toned Coins!!😁
This is a great Reference Thread!!👍
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Yep.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@mfeld, @Justacommeman fair enough, I definitely see your point as well.
The end result though in both cases is that I'm looking at an image which is barely recognizable next to the coin in-hand. Gives me fits whether the trickery was done with tilt, light and lens or digital manipulation after-the-fact.
I get yours as well.
Juiced to me is an attempt to deceive. A glamour shot is exactly that. A shot taken to show the coin in the best possible light. Same as a photographer taking a head shot of a human. We all tend to have our better side.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@ColonelJessup Thanks for your following quoted post, allowing me to justifiably bring back the famous Jerome Lester Horwitz aka Curly Howard for another “Cameo” (pun intended) appearance in this thread.🤣😂
What’s with All this Double-Talk? 🤣😂 LOL
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Interestingly, my Mom's maiden name was Horowitz. He looks sorta like my long-lost cousin Jerry, but that's not a Jersey Shore accent.
I hope that wasn't the famous Kirwood Derby of Rocky and Bullwinkle reknown?
Also, excellent summary of my .. never mind
Cocky. kooky or conflation? Damn!
Could he be that good?
@ColonelJessup If Curly Howard is your long lost Cousin Jerry, that would certainly make you a Victim of Coicumstance!!😂🤣
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Thanks to all for the interesting dialogue so far, on a number of topics in this thread.😁👍
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Nice coin. The first hubbing of a Draped Bust working die around October of 1795 was a little off-center, this was corrected by Scot, Voigt, and Eckfeldt on all subsequent Draped Bust coins of all denominations.
I viewed that coin and examined it closely in hand 17 years ago. The toning is real and spectacular! That said, TDN’s replacement for it totally blows that OP one away.👍
It's an amazing coin, nobody is arguing this point, but do you believe it to be original, 200+ year-old toning?
8 Reales Madness Collection
I’ve traced the provenance of that piece back further than its appearance in the Knoxville Collection, and there is consistency in the toning. Could it have been dipped over a hundred years ago? No one has any records of that happening.
The coin has always been seen as a gem. Before it was crossed over to PCGS-MS65, it was graded by NGC as MS66!
Martin and Bruce, @Cardinal @TradeDollarNut
Since I’ve not had the pleasure of viewing the subject coin in person, and can only attempt to interpret the PCGS TrueView photos posted earlier in this thread, IMHO this spectacular coin seems to exhibit a light Cameo Contrast between Frosty Devices and perhaps also Flashy Luster in the fields.
I’d appreciate your (and/or others’) literal “hands on examination experience” feedback regarding this interpretation based solely on the photos.
Thanks!!😁👍
> @cardinal said:
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
1) That coin has the exact same toning pattern and color intensities that I would expect if someone had chemically treated a gem coin 50 or 100 years ago. Consider much Newman silver.
2) That coin has the exact same toning pattern and color intensities that I would expect if no one had chemically treated that coin in the last 150 years or so.
You can take both as definitive
Flashy luster, yes. That’s why ngc originally graded it 66
Of course, they also originally graded its replacement 67
Thanks for the photos @Stuart and @TwoKopeiki.
Great coin @tradedollarnut!
Good to see the photos together.
TrueView
SecurePlus
Isn’t the bottom image a scan?
Aren’t they both PCGS? One a True View and one a Secure Plus scan?
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Yes, they are PCGS TrueView and SecurePlus. Given the variability in results, it's nice to have more than one view.
I'm just pointing out for people saying this is not secondary toning that this is album toning and albums were introduced in 1930.
8 Reales Madness Collection
I can't go into an enumeration of how many different storage environments various sorts of coins have gone through.
Suffice it to say that coin storage media have been evolving for half a millennium,.
Cynics (or perhaps those no longer naïve about the Sniffer) will note that livers of sulfur is not just a cure for mange.
The delivery system(s) induce various pattern easily mimicked in some situations.
The only way to not get fooled is to through out a few babies with the bathwater.
I hope you can take this ambiguity as definitive
Very few long term (100+ years) toning patterns are successfully mimicked by using sulfur-based accellerants, in my opinion.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Based on my experience. It's not the color patterns that are difficult; it's finding planchets in various states of surviving health. You'll have more than one try at a 1905 50c, but a granularly frosty Heraldic 50c from a hundred years previously is very unlikely to have enough skin to take more than one hit of whatever your "prep" process is corroding artfully.
Color is cool.
Extraordinary luster is better.
Nice color with extraordinary luster is just a treat and really not that common. Without having seen this coin, I imagine that's what's going on here.
You know what’s harder to find than a colored 18th century coin?
An attractive untoned or nearly untoned 18th century coin with great luster.
The TV's look to me like they are made with the lighting source on the same axis as the lens. I've had similar results with axial lighting on coins I have with nice secondary toning. No playing with saturation or color spectrum necessary. But, I will say that axial lighting picks out surface imperfections with brutal clarity... and I'm not seeing any on this coin.