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SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
edited May 9, 2019 8:28AM in U.S. Coin Forum

So I sent in this 55 proof quarter, it came back as UNC details QC,, my question is,, what should i do now?? Continue to send it to get the grade, or jus give up and get the refund the seller offered

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't send it to the same grading service. There is a word for doing the same thing over & over with the same result. It is not "consistency."

    You can either try another service or return it for a refund. If it was not too expensive, keep it as it is very attractive.

  • JasonGamingJasonGaming Posts: 928 ✭✭✭✭

    Agreed, refund

    Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.

  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with QC here. Get a refund. It's AT in my book.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    I paid 60 for it,, unfortunately it would've been worth it if I didnt get the qc,, cause I really love the coin, I wont love the coffin it was put in

  • PickwickjrPickwickjr Posts: 557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would keep it or try to get it regraded. If you want I’ll buy it from you.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    I was thinking about cutting it out and giving it a dip to see if the toning comes off with it, but I dont really wanna mess with it cause of the UNC grade, what do you guys think?

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Don't send it to the same grading service. There is a word for doing the same thing over & over with the same result. It is not "consistency."

    You can either try another service or return it for a refund. If it was not too expensive, keep it as it is very attractive.

    I've been told by many people if you keep sending most QC you will eventually get the grade, that's why I asked

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't throw good money at bad money. Return it and learn from it.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's see. You paid $60 for the coin and $30 (?) for the service and you want to send it back for another $30 (?). If it works out, you'll have a beautiful coin that would probably sell for a profit. Are you feeling lucky?

  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The (correct) answer has been given several times already. Return it, and cut your losses.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    I was thinking about cutting it out and giving it a dip to see if the toning comes off with it, but I dont really wanna mess with it cause of the UNC grade, what do you guys think?

    NO, NO, NO! But it's your coin. Virtually common bullion if dipped and you've already had an offer as is!

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Let's see. You paid $60 for the coin and $30 (?) for the service and you want to send it back for another $30 (?). If it works out, you'll have a beautiful coin that would probably sell for a profit. Are you feeling lucky?

    Haha I consider myself lucky;P

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    I was thinking about cutting it out and giving it a dip to see if the toning comes off with it, but I dont really wanna mess with it cause of the UNC grade, what do you guys think?

    NO, NO, NO! But it's your coin. Virtually common bullion if dipped and you've already had an offer as is!

    Haha yikes it was jus a question :)

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    I paid 60 for it,, unfortunately it would've been worth it if I didnt get the qc,, cause** I really love the coin**, I wont love the coffin it was put in

    The bold is all that matters. If you love the coin keep it and leave it just as it is. You paid a little money for grading it QC but glass half full you just paid for a great image.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @Insider2 said:
    Don't send it to the same grading service. There is a word for doing the same thing over & over with the same result. It is not "consistency."

    You can either try another service or return it for a refund. If it was not too expensive, keep it as it is very attractive.

    I've been told by many people if you keep sending most QC you will eventually get the grade, that's why I asked

    That depends on the coin and you can waste a great deal of time and money doing that with the wrong coin. I would suggest keeping it, as is if you love it or returning it for a refund, if you don't.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    Haha so I told my employee about some of you guys being interested in QC coins,, so he asked me to post these 2 up and see if anyone would be interested, they're both au details QC

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin has been altered. Return it. Get a refund from the "dealer" or whatever foisted that mess off on you. Also, ask for reimbursement of your 'grading' fees -- probably won't work, but you can try. Use what is left of your $60 (minus the useless 'grading' fees/postage) to buy an untouched example from 1955.

    Use this experience to slow down and learn what natural toning looks like. You might "like" the pretty colors on this coin, but no sane coin collector will ever buy or trade it from you. Join a coin club. Subscribe to one of the weekly hobby publications. Ask questions here and on other message boards - learn before you spend another cent, so you can better understand what you are buying and the real value of it.

    :)

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Haha so I told my employee about some of you guys being interested in QC coins,, so he asked me to post these 2 up and see if anyone would be interested, they're both au details QC

    So that you don't get fussed at - if you're trying to buy or sell something, the forum to use is this one: https://forums.collectors.com/categories/buy-sell-trade-u-s-coins

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JasonGamingJasonGaming Posts: 928 ✭✭✭✭

    Use the buy-sell-trade for offering your coins.

    Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019 10:12AM

    @RogerB said: "...but no sane coin collector will ever buy or trade it from you...."

    LOL. I'd be careful about judging the collecting interests of others. I knew there was something wrong with me! :(

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @clarkbar04 said:
    That merc is a hot mess.

    Lol right,, I warned him before he sent that one

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019 11:27AM

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    So I sent in this 55 proof quarter, it came back as UNC details QC,, my question is,, what should i do now?? Continue to send it to get the grade, or jus give up and get the refund the seller offered

    ...

    @Pickwickjr said:
    I would keep it or try to get it regraded. If you want I’ll buy it from you.

    @SilverEagle420 If you don't want it, I'd take up @Pickwickjr's offer and sell it to him. Nice to keep it in the forum family.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would call that quarter AT.... big profits in fake colors on coins now.... Cheers, RickO

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @Insider2 said:
    Let's see. You paid $60 for the coin and $30 (?) for the service and you want to send it back for another $30 (?). If it works out, you'll have a beautiful coin that would probably sell for a profit. Are you feeling lucky?

    Haha I consider myself lucky;P

    You've already got $90 into a coin that would have to 67 to be worth it. I would be very suspicious about those spots on the obverse. They look like they could be chemical residue.

    Personally, I don't think that coin was worth sending in once much less multiple times.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

    A 2013-W in PR70 DCAM can be bought on eBay for $60-$80. A Pr68 DCAM isn't worth the price of submission either.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @clarkbar04 said:
    That merc is a hot mess.

    Lol right,, I warned him before he sent that one

    Except look at the thread I started with the BTW Half that CAC'ed with similar toning.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @clarkbar04 said:
    That merc is a hot mess.

    Lol right,, I warned him before he sent that one

    Except look at the thread I started with the BTW Half that CAC'ed with similar toning.

    To me, at least, the toning is not “similar” to a relevant extent. The Mercury dime looks blatantly AT, while the BTW looks original.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @clarkbar04 said:
    That merc is a hot mess.

    Lol right,, I warned him before he sent that one

    Except look at the thread I started with the BTW Half that CAC'ed with similar toning.

    To me, at least, the toning is not “similar” to a relevant extent. The Mercury dime looks blatantly AT, while the BTW looks original.

    I don't disagree. The hues are similar, however. The dime, much like the quarter in this thread, has spots that look like chemical residue to me. But I'm not sure the OP was judging by that.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some toning doctors are better than others. However, in the end they all produce artificially toned coins.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is your purpose in sending an artificially toned coin for a second round of grading? Is that you know that if it straight-grades, someone will pay up for it and you will profit, or is it that you genuinely disagree that it is artificially toned (and if the latter, are you confident that you have the knowledge and experience to make such a discernment)? I think this is a very important question that everyone in such situations should ask themselves, and one that I unfortunately do not often see being asked.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

    A 2013-W in PR70 DCAM can be bought on eBay for $60-$80. A Pr68 DCAM isn't worth the price of submission either.

    Look up any toning proof ASE's with any MS grade attached to them on Ebay, none have target toning and all the decent ones are selling for 150 up to 500

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @Rexford said:
    What is your purpose in sending an artificially toned coin for a second round of grading? Is that you know that if it straight-grades, someone will pay up for it and you will profit, or is it that you genuinely disagree that it is artificially toned (and if the latter, are you confident that you have the knowledge and experience to make such a discernment)? I think this is a very important question that everyone in such situations should ask themselves, and one that I unfortunately do not often see being asked.

    I referenced the QC posts on this forum and QC is a coin that may or may not be legit,, but they cant make that decernment so they issue a qc,, I've seen toned coins with grades associated that aren't worth much sell for big money at auction,, depends on the bidders and the coin,, I honestly didnt think my Walker or quarter were artificial toning,, the merc was an employee who asked me to send it for him and played his grading fees,, I also sent the 1865 3 cent and it got an ms 64 which at least paid for my fees and I'm gonna break even,, I was just wanting opinions if I should resubmit cause most the threads say if you submit it,,,, eventually it will grade,, so if the majority thought it might, I may consider it,

  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @Rexford said:

    I referenced the QC posts on this forum and QC is a coin that may or may not be legit,, but they cant make that decernment so they issue a qc,, I've seen toned coins with grades associated that aren't worth much sell for big money at auction,, depends on the bidders and the coin,, I honestly didnt think my Walker or quarter were artificial toning,, the merc was an employee who asked me to send it for him and played his grading fees,, I also sent the 1865 3 cent and it got an ms 64 which at least paid for my fees and I'm gonna break even,, I was just wanting opinions if I should resubmit cause most the threads say if you submit it,,,, eventually it will grade,, so if the majority thought it might, I may consider it,

    That's not an accurate statement. PCGS designates QC (Questionable Color) for all coins deemed artificially toned or likely artificially toned. There is no AT or Artificially Toned grade, there is only QC. This is presumably because third party-graders have noted that they may get into trouble if they describe a coin as unquestionably artificially toned, when such a designation is difficult to definitively prove in ways that other designations, like "Cleaned" or "Tooled" are not. This does not mean that they do not without a shadow of a doubt think that coins graded QC are AT. In all likelihood, they do often feel that these coins are 100% AT, but they do not have a designation that expresses this opinion.

    See https://www.pcgs.com/grades in the "No Grades" section.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

    A 2013-W in PR70 DCAM can be bought on eBay for $60-$80. A Pr68 DCAM isn't worth the price of submission either.

    Look up any toning proof ASE's with any MS grade attached to them on Ebay, none have target toning and all the decent ones are selling for 150 up to 500

    Which doesn't require slabbing, especially at 68. And if you thought it was QC, you bought a $30 lottery ticket

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019 3:40PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

    A 2013-W in PR70 DCAM can be bought on eBay for $60-$80. A Pr68 DCAM isn't worth the price of submission either.

    Look up any toning proof ASE's with any MS grade attached to them on Ebay, none have target toning and all the decent ones are selling for 150 up to 500

    Which doesn't require slabbing, especially at 68. And if you thought it was QC, you bought a $30 lottery ticket

    That I will likely make several hundred on, if not I personally love it, so I dont understand why you're so acidic towards it, I slabbed it strictly to know whether it was true or not,, the fact that it made it is a plus for me

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

    A 2013-W in PR70 DCAM can be bought on eBay for $60-$80. A Pr68 DCAM isn't worth the price of submission either.

    Look up any toning proof ASE's with any MS grade attached to them on Ebay, none have target toning and all the decent ones are selling for 150 up to 500

    Which doesn't require slabbing, especially at 68. And if you thought it was QC, you bought a $30 lottery ticket

    That I will likely make several hundred on, if not I personally love it, so I dont understand why you're so acidic towards it, I slabbed it strictly to know whether it was true or not,, the fact that it made it is a plus for me

    Because there's only one winner fron this game and it isn't you, it's our beloved host.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    I'm pretty sure a few hundred profit is a win for me as well...

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

    A 2013-W in PR70 DCAM can be bought on eBay for $60-$80. A Pr68 DCAM isn't worth the price of submission either.

    Look up any toning proof ASE's with any MS grade attached to them on Ebay, none have target toning and all the decent ones are selling for 150 up to 500

    Which doesn't require slabbing, especially at 68. And if you thought it was QC, you bought a $30 lottery ticket

    Toned Silver Eagles sell for significantly more in straight graded holders. And a 68 is quite high for toners. You won’t see the TPGs grade toners as 70s (the ones on the market are mainly gassed slabs or coins that turned after being holdered) and 69s aren’t that common either with great color.

    Originally sending the Silver Eagle in might have been a toss up, but it should pay off now that it is straight graded as a 68.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Well I should have them in hand tomorrow, my other order is comin today,, and I get the slow it down part but take this ase for example, I thought for absolute sure it wasnt legit,, but I got a pr68dcam on it

    A 2013-W in PR70 DCAM can be bought on eBay for $60-$80. A Pr68 DCAM isn't worth the price of submission either.

    Look up any toning proof ASE's with any MS grade attached to them on Ebay, none have target toning and all the decent ones are selling for 150 up to 500

    Which doesn't require slabbing, especially at 68. And if you thought it was QC, you bought a $30 lottery ticket

    Toned Silver Eagles sell for significantly more in straight graded holders. And a 68 is quite high for toners. You won’t see the TPGs grade toners as 70s (the ones on the market are mainly gassed slabs or coins that turned after being holdered) and 69s aren’t that common either with great color.

    Originally sending the Silver Eagle in might have been a toss up, but it should pay off now that it is straight graded as a 68.

    It was a risky toss up but I'm agree with you for sure and I am very happy with it

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    I'm pretty sure a few hundred profit is a win for me as well...

    Be sure to deduct all the losses.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Were it mine I'd keep it where it is. It is kinda pretty.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    The Trueview was finally uploaded a bit ago for that ASE

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    I jus picked up the package at the post office so I will let the offer senders know

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    I jus picked up the package at the post office so I will let the offer senders know

    Let us see them first, please.

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    What should you do now? Sell it to me. I like it.

  • SilverEagle420SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    I jus picked up the package at the post office so I will let the offer senders know

    Let us see them first, please.

    I will deff take pics! I also got my other order in with the ASE and that "phantom" variety 1964 ddr

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