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topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

Here we are every day lamenting the erosion of the coin market and still not going gaga over COMMEMS !!
The one series that has the potential to interest someone who is NOT familiar with coins. :/

And.... since they're newer and were issued ...to... coin collectors in the first place, they're far less likely to be messed with other than a dip or two. :)

So, what's holding you up? B)

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 9:06AM

    On fire with them. My primary area specialization.

    Investor
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    Here we are every day lamenting the erosion of the coin market and still not going gaga over COMMEMS !!
    The one series that has the potential to interest someone who is NOT familiar with coins. :/

    And.... since they're newer and were issued ...to... coin collectors in the first place, they're far less likely to be messed with other than a dip or two. :)

    So, what's holding you up? B)

    If it's potentially sufficiently profitable, a coin doctor will be just as likely to mess with a commem, as he would any other type of coin.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @topstuf said:
    Here we are every day lamenting the erosion of the coin market and still not going gaga over COMMEMS !!
    The one series that has the potential to interest someone who is NOT familiar with coins. :/

    And.... since they're newer and were issued ...to... coin collectors in the first place, they're far less likely to be messed with other than a dip or two. :)

    So, what's holding you up? B)

    If it's potentially sufficiently profitable, a coin doctor will be just as likely to mess with a commem, as he would any other type of coin.

    Yep that's true. But I'd bet the incidence is far less with commems than older circulation coins.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Modern or classic?

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    Modern or classic?

    Franklin Mint. >:)

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:

    @Smudge said:
    Modern or classic?

    Franklin Mint. >:)

    Pass.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ..... Do the Antietam Cards have the same sulfur and other content as the York cards?

    ================================================

    I think the Antietam and Stone Mountains were issued with yellow Jello inside.
    The Grants seemed to tend more toward cocoa puffs.

    Depression years so the folks got something to eat with their coins. :D

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 12:00PM

    I've actually felt that someone is AT'g them again and getting better since last winter. Making it into one or the other grading services in 67-68 grades, one so far seen beaned, and moving into major auctions hammering stupid money now instead of just on eBay.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some may fear a repeat of the financial beating they took years ago. Although at current prices they do seem attractive.

  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Color seems to really bring out the bids.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LindeDad said:
    Color seems to really bring out the bids.

    BRIGHT gets my attention. :|

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think what the colonel is saying is that a knowledgeable expert can take a quick look and say “that’s how they come” or “nah, they aren’t supposed to look like that”. Furthermore, a really savvy doc will try to do work that mimics the real deal already out there.

    How’d I do?

    ;)

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,707 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LindeDad said:
    Color seems to really bring out the bids.

    It seems to be the only thing that brings out the bids.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 2:37PM

    @BryceM said:
    I think what the colonel is saying is that a knowledgeable expert can take a quick look and say “that’s how they come” or “nah, they aren’t supposed to look like that”. Furthermore, a really savvy doc will try to do work that mimics the real deal already out there.

    How’d I do?

    ;)

    A+ o:)

    The same red/blue/etc crescent/rainbow progression that can make a Barber 25c look "Wayte Raymond" or "Meyhrig" is very very wrong when a blast-white 1917 Type I 25c has an almost perfectly symmetrical 3-shade rainbow radiating inward a very considerable 10%-12% from the rims.

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Holy cow! I just understood one of the Col’s posts!

    ;)

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    Holy cow! I just understood one of the Col’s posts!

    ;)

    I’m deeply worried for you!😄

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps encouraging the formation of fifty five piece Classic U.S. Silver Commemorative sets would bring new enthusiasm to the commemorative coin collecting.

    I'm sure there are many potential commemorative coin collectors who are put off by going all out and accumulating 94 duplicate inexpensive (for the most part) coins in order to complete a 144 coin set collection. For that reason, Classic U.S. Silver Commemorative short sets have been suggested such as the 50 Piece Type Set as well as the smaller PDS (Arkansas, Boone, etc.) and topical (art deco eagles, Civil War, etc.) subsets. However, the 50 coin type set ignores five significant coins - Grant with star, Alabama 2x2 and Missouri 2 star 4 as well as single date and double date Boone and Pilgrim type coins. The additional five coins that would make up an advanced 55 coin type set would add another 20% to the cost of completing the collection in MS64 or MS65 and would represent money well spent.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 5:04PM


    In last 2 days sold 3 Classic Commems from online store 2 of which had only a week like this PCGS 65 San Diego. It is a brilliant, white coin, PQ with super cartwheel luster, a real blazer.

    Due to its fascinating history an area have decided concentrate in.

    Investor
  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:

    In last 2 days sold 3 Classic Commems from online store 2 of which had only a week like this PCGS 65 San Diego. It is a brilliant, white coin, PQ with super cartwheel luster, a real blazer.

    Due to its fascinating history an area have decided concentrate in.

    Beautiful coin. PCGS price guide puts 1936D San Diego at $135. What was your price?

    You would think coin dealers would promote coins of their state and stock an inventory of state commemoratives to encourage a "first" coin for a nice collection or to compliment a state quarter collection.

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 7:18PM

    It seems that we have had 2 major changes that make a Good a bad. New technology and efforts to reduce waste like milk spots & laser design make it near impossible to find odd ball gems. Trends in marketing effect the way Doctor visits happen. Toning on Morgan’s lead to chemical pealing and tissue furnace coins. Does not help the mint rather be bureaucratic then serving customer.

    I do like the Comm not afraid to say it.

    Best place to buy !
    Bronze Associate member

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have several (Classics) added to my current want list at the moment!

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    Here we are every day lamenting the erosion of the coin market and still not going gaga over COMMEMS !!
    The one series that has the potential to interest someone who is NOT familiar with coins. :/

    And.... since they're newer and were issued ...to... coin collectors in the first place, they're far less likely to be messed with other than a dip or two. :)

    So, what's holding you up? B)

    It's almost like you enjoy watching people lose money... o:)>:)

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If there's any more to lose, these will start showing up in Coinstars.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    If there's any more to lose, these will start showing up in Coinstars.

    I'm surprised most of the more common issues haven't ended up in a smelter yet. It really is sad. There is a lot of artistry and underlying history to many of the designs.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like commemoratives... I did a set with one from each state I have lived in.... nine... well, one did not have a commemorative, so I substituted a state token..... Worked for me... :) I do like the Texas, Oregon and California coins.... Cheers, RickO

  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the current issue (April 2019) of Mark Ferguson's “Rare Coin Strategies”, Kathleen Duncan of Pinnacle Rarities had an interesting article on how pricing has come down dramatically on classic silver commems, and gave some interesting ideas about different types of short sets. I’ve never owned a commem, and after doing some research, I decided over this past weekend to start a 50 coin Type Set, which will consist mainly of 66’s and 67’s. I called Brooklyn Gallery and ordered a Lighthouse Grande G 6 page slab album, and bought my first coin, a Maryland PCGS 66+ w/CAC. Only 49 more to go. Yes, prices can still go lower, but with the drop we’ve had, the downside risk is somewhat minimized, but more importantly, this will give me pleasure as the “hunt” continues.

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • MrMonkeySwag96MrMonkeySwag96 Posts: 135 ✭✭✭

    A lot of Early Commems were messed with. Early Commems tend to develop dark, dull, ugly toning. In addition, some Early Commems have strange toning patterns due to their packaging. Some called this "tab toning" and find it unattractive. Thus many Commems were dipped. Original, undipped Commems with even, rainbow toning tend to command high premiums. Many issues such as Layfayette dollars and Hawaii halves have signs of cleaning.

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrMonkeySwag96 said:
    A lot of Early Commems were messed with. Early Commems tend to develop dark, dull, ugly toning. In addition, some Early Commems have strange toning patterns due to their packaging. Some called this "tab toning" and find it unattractive. Thus many Commems were dipped. Original, undipped Commems with even, rainbow toning tend to command high premiums. Many issues such as Layfayette dollars and Hawaii halves have signs of cleaning.

    Check out "A Guide Book of United States Commemorative Coins, 2nd Edition" (The Official Red Book) Paperback – November 29, 2016 by Q. David Bowers. He mentions Hawaiians often have a yellowish tint; many think the yellow was the result of overdipping or a bad bath.

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven

    Sounds like a lot of fun!

    Care to share why those specific years? If not that’s ok, too.

    The Grande G is huge! Since your going to be putting in slabbed PM’s it’s going to be heavier than your average slabbed coin. Double check to make sure the slab album pages are snapped shut and threaded through the binder’s four rings before transport. I know there is a sleeve but it’s when it’s not in the sleeve. Hate seeing slabs fall... ;)

  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I> @Hemispherical said:

    @winesteven

    Sounds like a lot of fun!

    Care to share why those specific years? If not that’s ok, too.

    If you’re asking about “a 50 coin Type Set”, I’m not referring to the year 1950, but the typical Type Set for the Classic Silver Commemorative series consists of 50 coins, starting in 1892 or 1893. BTW, thanks for the tip on the weights.😁

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • MrMonkeySwag96MrMonkeySwag96 Posts: 135 ✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019 3:52AM

    @topstuf said:
    Here we are every day lamenting the erosion of the coin market and still not going gaga over COMMEMS !!
    The one series that has the potential to interest someone who is NOT familiar with coins. :/

    And.... since they're newer and were issued ...to... coin collectors in the first place, they're far less likely to be messed with other than a dip or two. :)

    So, what's holding you up? B)

    Early Commems were issued to both collectors and the non-collecting public. Keep in mind, this was during a time when cleaning was encouraged. Old timers loved "shiny coins." Collectors cleaned their coins. Banks cleaned their coins. The public cleaned their coins. Hence all of the molested Commems in the market. It wasn't until recently that the hobby appreciated toning and originality.

  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:

    Check out "A Guide Book of United States Commemorative Coins, 2nd Edition" (The Official Red Book) Paperback – November 29, 2016 by Q. David Bowers.

    Great tip. I just placed my order for it on Amazon for $14.59 plus tax (free Prime shipping), and I’ll have it tomorrow. Thanks.

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • PickwickjrPickwickjr Posts: 557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think they are a good buy if you can find the right coin. I love the designs of them and think they are some of the most beautiful coins. I will buy them if I can find a nice toner at a reasonable price. Here’s a nice original Oregon ms66 cac and my favorite Lafayette Dollar


  • MrMonkeySwag96MrMonkeySwag96 Posts: 135 ✭✭✭

    @Pickwickjr said:
    I think they are a good buy if you can find the right coin. I love the designs of them and think they are some of the most beautiful coins. I will buy them if I can find a nice toner at a reasonable price. Here’s a nice original Oregon ms66 cac and my favorite Lafayette Dollar


    That Lafayette dollar is gorgeous. I'm thinking of getting one someday. An AU example is within my budget.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrMonkeySwag96 said:

    @topstuf said:
    Here we are every day lamenting the erosion of the coin market and still not going gaga over COMMEMS !!
    The one series that has the potential to interest someone who is NOT familiar with coins. :/

    And.... since they're newer and were issued ...to... coin collectors in the first place, they're far less likely to be messed with other than a dip or two. :)

    So, what's holding you up? B)

    Early Commems were issued to both collectors and the non-collecting public. Keep in mind, this was during a time when cleaning was encouraged. Old timers loved "shiny coins." Collectors cleaned their coins. Banks cleaned their coins. The public cleaned their coins. Hence all of the molested Commems in the market. It wasn't until recently that the hobby appreciated toning and originality.

    I’m not sure how you define “recently”, but it’s been decades that (at least a good sized portion of) the hobby has appreciated toning and originality.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • PickwickjrPickwickjr Posts: 557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019 4:16AM

    Thanks for the compliment
    I have always liked the design of the Lafayette dollar. I collect mostly dollars (not Morgan’s) so it’s a good addition. It also reminds me of my grandfather, so it’s a win win for me.
    I would say hold out for the right one, they are available.

  • MrMonkeySwag96MrMonkeySwag96 Posts: 135 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @MrMonkeySwag96 said:

    @topstuf said:
    Here we are every day lamenting the erosion of the coin market and still not going gaga over COMMEMS !!
    The one series that has the potential to interest someone who is NOT familiar with coins. :/

    And.... since they're newer and were issued ...to... coin collectors in the first place, they're far less likely to be messed with other than a dip or two. :)

    So, what's holding you up? B)

    Early Commems were issued to both collectors and the non-collecting public. Keep in mind, this was during a time when cleaning was encouraged. Old timers loved "shiny coins." Collectors cleaned their coins. Banks cleaned their coins. The public cleaned their coins. Hence all of the molested Commems in the market. It wasn't until recently that the hobby appreciated toning and originality.

    I’m not sure how you define “recently”, but it’s been decades that (at least a good sized portion of) the hobby has appreciated toning and originality.

    I'm talking about collectors from the late 1800s-1950s

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019 8:03AM

    The 36-D MS65 San Diego went for $165 free shipx. Another classic commem sold this morning.

    This market has been heating up especially for brilliant pieces PQ brilliant with super luster. Toned pieces moving too a monster toned Texas went quickly. Many savy new players want PQ coins like the piece above. However others like myself include nice toners and there are buyers. It is a matter of taste.

    I think many classic commems a real bargain under $300 so go for the piece you like.

    I would love to complete an Oregon Trail set.

    Investor

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