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NEW DIE VARIETY DISCOVERED AND OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED ON 1945 WALKING LIBERTY HALF DOLLAR

joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 27, 2019 8:04PM in U.S. Coin Forum

This took 9 years to officially be recognized :)

https://numismaticnews.net/article/radiating-sunburst-variety-discovery

may the fonz be with you...always...

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  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Walkers by die state?

    Thanks for the heads up though. Was this your discovery?

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @joebb21 for the article. May need to dig the ‘45s just to see.

  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So now.....?

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is really cool.
    I have not seen one like if and I have looked at a lot of Walkers.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats Yosef!!

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations! When will the grading services begin designating these?

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One more thing to check for....Coin collecting is becoming so stressful.... :D:D;) Seriously though, it is an interesting anomaly... Cheers, RickO

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting discovery - thanks for sharing!

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats!

    My first thought would've been hand-engraved lines. Reminds me a lot of the 1957-D quarter with re-engraved tailfeathers.

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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2019 7:32AM

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Congratulations! When will the grading services begin designating these?

    NGC just started

    https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/half-dollars/walking-liberty-half-dollars-1916-1947/820333/

    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm a "Johnny-come-lately and you may enjoy this. While working at ANACS in DC, I saw one of these coins and as a "know-littIe" back then (I thought there was only about five double die coins - get it?) thought nothing of it.

    When my copy of Numismatic news arrived, I just looked at the image and title "New Discovery" and thought this must be a die clash from the recesses of the eagle's feathers! LOL

    If I would have read the article, the experts who examined the coin knew better. Anyway, from past experience (folks send in their rare, new discoveries every week for the past fifty years) I've learned to give "new discoveries" little respect until I can prove it to myself. It was not until I got to work and looked at a WL half that my theory of a simple die clash was impossible. Then I read the article. Nice to see the research and recognition. Appears we have one happy member here who found one. :)

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Went through the ‘45 Walkers that I have and I did not have this variety. :/ Keeping an eye out as I randomly upgrade my Walker Dansco.

    Thanks again @joebb21 and great discovery. Did you choose the name, “Sunburst” for this variety? It is a fitting name. :)

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does someone have a picture of the full obverse to post?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I need to see the reverse and edge too! o:)

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I said when the round robin discussion about this variety came through my computer, I saw one of these years ago and did not think it was significant then. I still don't, but that's what makes horse races. To me, the re-engraved designer's initials are a much more significant die variety.

    At that time I saw one, I thought it was just sloppy wartime die repair. FWIW, two other names that you would recognize that were mentioned in the round robin thought they were die cracks.

    MOO
    TD

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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    Went through the ‘45 Walkers that I have and I did not have this variety. :/ Keeping an eye out as I randomly upgrade my Walker Dansco.

    Thanks again @joebb21 and great discovery. Did you choose the name, “Sunburst” for this variety? It is a fitting name. :)

    Michael Fey ultimately came up with the name. As stated in @jtlee321 thread, i had been trying to get this recognized for years. Finally the powers that be heard my case and gave it the recognition that makes variety collecting so much fun.

    jtlee321's coin is still only #4 that I know of and I have looked.. Though Im sure more will be discovered.
    Ill have to upload my photos when I get a chance

    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Took a bit to find the thread @joebb21 but here it is https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/966751/1945-walking-liberty-half

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2019 4:30PM

    Tracing the most prominent lines and considering Chris P's comments, I suspect the die scratches were created by small flecks of hard die steel. These were known to chip from a die then grind their way from center to periphery, sometimes following parts of the design and sometimes cutting through it. If we think about the steel used during the 1940s, these abrasive fragments possibly originated with a die clash. Peripheral irregularities indicate a damaged or otherwise compromised die.

    If the above is correct, there should be other coins with earlier and later states of the same scratches. Here's the obverse photo from the linked thread with traces added for the most prominent scratches.

  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    Took a bit to find the thread @joebb21 but here it is https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/966751/1945-walking-liberty-half

    I had linked my original thread in my post above.

    @RogerB said:
    Does someone have a picture of the full obverse to post?

    @Insider2 said:
    I need to see the reverse and edge too! o:)

    Here you go, I'm including the full resolution obverse and reverse of my coin. Sorry I don't have the edges @Insider2. ;)

    Justin Lee Numismatic Photography



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  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jtlee321 said:

    @Hemispherical said:
    Took a bit to find the thread @joebb21 but here it is https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/966751/1945-walking-liberty-half

    I had linked my original thread in my post above.

    Ah, yes you sure did. Got me on a caffeine low. Time to get some more.

  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will this coin be receiving an FS number and added to the Cherrypickers Guide?

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jtlee321 said:
    Will this coin be receiving an FS number and added to the Cherrypickers Guide?

    I hope it does

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There’s a vid on it.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RsoxPPawWwo

  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool find, viva varieties!

    https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/

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