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Can someone tell me what this is? 1987-D Roosevelt Dime/NEW PICS
Rooster1
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Look on top of the 9 in 1987. It could be a die chip, but it sure looks like part of a number or letter.
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@Rooster1 You answered your own question.
I would go with the die chip assessment.... Good pictures. If it were anything else, there would likely be others. Cheers, RickO
Looks like a doggy bone to me.
That's funny, I thought it looked like a doggy bone too.
Did someone say "doggy bone" ?
Chip ahoy!
Die chip as others said.
Isn't that called a "Dropped" character? I remember reading some time ago that metal dust and grease fill the recused letter on a die. When it is jarred loose by a strike, it makes an impression on the next coin. Look at the weakness of the “M” in the word “Dime” on the reverse. I am a little fuzzy about the details so maybe an expert could give a better scenario.
That can happen. As soon as the other board members stop fooling around and looking at it, maybe they'll offer some insight.
To me, that "dropped letter" looks pretty ragged and strikes me more as a somewhat linear die chip that we want to see as a familiar shape.
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Good points! I just thought the odd shape looked defined like a character as opposed to a chip. However, anything can happen and does when 50,000 tons of pressure strike an 18mm metal disk.
A dropped character would be stamped into the surface, as in a struck through. no?
Found the article.
https://numismaticnews.net/article/dropped_letter_error_on_polk_1
Looks like it can be a little of both incused and raised.
Why would the weakness of the “M” in “Dime” be affected by the mint mark strike? Opposite locations/orientation.
If we rotated the “dog bone” 90 degrees, perhaps, it might start looking like a dropped “1” of the date. But, more than likely, I’m now looking way too much more into this and it’s just a chip.
That seems to discuss issues on the edge. On the obv/rev if the dropped letter were raised that would mean the face of the die did not come in contact with the planchet (not possible if the coin is struck). That's the way I would understand it, anyway.
Not sure where the mintmark reference came from. I do not think you are over-thinking this. You often post some pretty perceptive insights. I was just looking for a weak spot on the dies, which could indicate a “filled” incused device on the Working Die. After the “blob” is dislodged, it can appear as a “dropped letter” anywhere on the obverse or reverse of the next coin. I do not pretend to know anything about this type of error but the article I cited above is very informative.
Another example:
http://coinauctionshelp.com/droppedletters.html#.XKFxDaROmEc
Got it, thanks. Nice article.
Not sure if we helped @Rooster1 much but my vote leans toward "Dropped (partial?) Letter".
My mistake. I was thinking the weakness you mentioned had something to do with the metal flow/movement (or lack of) from obverse/reverse and was
directly translating the approximate same areas on the obverse/reverse.
Hmm... hope that made sense.
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Perfect sense. I just wish some of the experts would be interested enough to chime in and help out the OP @Rooster1.
If it is a dropped letter, it is a really nice find.
Hard to say for sure from the photos but it looks like there may be a die crack running along the bottom of the neck down to the chip. The size and shape don't seem to match another feature on the coin. You could have a dropped that was somehow distorted but I'm going to stay with a chip with the photos provided. The OP should look for any cracks in the area, a dropped letter would not cause cracks. If any cracks are present it would indicate a chip.
There are no cracks.
Look close between the bone & neck.
The more I look at it, the more I am seeing the crack.
It looks like the crack runs along the bottom of the neck almost level in height to the top of the D mint mark.
More photos????
Not a dropped letter. It would be incuse if it were.
Source: I have owned a few TPG certified dropped letters and know what they look like / how they happen.
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Mornin' - Not a dropped letter, as others have said.
Although it looks like a '1', it's much shorter (I measured).
Could be a die chip, but I've not see one this shaped like this,
and with no apparent meta 'connection' to the 9, as you would
expect if it were a die chip.
There is another date with a more typical 'blob' die chip
under the neck, to the date, but I can't recall the date.
I'm not sure what this one is exactly, at this point.
@Rooster1
Sounds like you have a unique keeper!
Maybe send it in for an attribution?
How can it be attributed if nobody knows exactly what it is?
One of the attribution specialists might be able to help.
Jameswiles@sbcglobal.net or jwex@comcast.net
For a $10.00 fee (PayPal) Dr. Wiles will sometimes make a determination from images like the ones you have posted. However, he may ask you to submit the coin for further examination. Give it a try.
What @Intueor said.
Maybe get it "recognized" so future examples can be "attributed"?
die chip
Not to muddy the waters, but isn't there something going on behind his neck, above his head, and under the U in IGWT? Or is all that scratches/gunk?
What do you mean by "going on"?
Clashed die? On my screen it looks like raised anomalies in those spot, esp under the U in IGWT.
I don't see anything. It may be dirt/gunk.
Are you comfortable cleaning a little of that dirt/gunk off before sending it?
Could you post some photos here if you do?
I will let it sit in acetone overnight and post some new pics tomorrow.
I don't think the cleaning did any good.
It looks like it helped a little bit. Good news is it didn't fall off or dissolve, not that anyone thought it would.
On the last photo I think I still see a faint line from the chip to the neck. Can you confirm?
Yes, there is a tiny crack. Does that mean anything?
Yes, that would indicate a fair chance of being a die chip.
thanks
No problem
Maybe others will chime in for a second or third opinion.