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Can this spot on an unc Peace be removed through Conservation?

planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

I was all set to submit this fave of mine for some of the specials, and as I took this “before” photo the image really picked up the one thing about this coin that bugs me. It’s next to the R in Liberty.

If I’m going to go for a throwback doily label and TrueView and so forth, might I as well have PCGS evaluate it for conservation service? This may be a widget, but an MS66+ replacement would cost more than all of the above.

The reverse is nice too. :)

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  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2019 7:02AM

    Did it CAC with the spot? Probably the most cost effective thing to do is sell as is and get what you want. I have to admit I do non economic grading/regrading/CACing as an experiment on my coins, and the results have been enlightening in many ways.

    As to your original question, dont really have the answer never having used Conservation services, but seem like its worth a try if thats what you want to do.

  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:
    If you're talking about the speck by the R in LIBERTY it's not something I see as negative.

    Yup, that’s what I mean. I appreciate the feedback. :)

  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2019 7:04AM

    It could probably be removed if it's simply a surface toning spot. If it's down into the metal, then no. I say leave it alone. If it bothers you, do what @AngryTurtle said and replace it with one without the speck.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only the restoration people can really answer this. The question should also include whether the spot would be likely to reappear in the future.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would leave it as is.... That being said, if you are OCD afflicted, then conservation will be mandatory ;) Cheers, RickO

  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes, CAC approved it with it, and I’m not sure that it got worse in the about ten years since.

  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks a ton for these comments — very helpful. Ricko seems to know what’s up with me, so I’ll reread the conservation guidelines and probably ask our host’s experts for their opinion. I do get that going ahead with some procedure could, maybe, have undesirable effects immediately or in the future. So I’ll proceed with caution, if at all.

    After all, it’s just a speck! ;)

    Thanks again to @Broadstruck for a great perspective.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I doubt that speck would be bothersome to most as it's not in the main visual region of this design.

    If it was on Miss Liberty's cheek or neck it might be a tad bid different?

    If it was mine I'd sell it if I was loosing sleep over it and just look for another once sold.

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've not had good luck with SPOT conserving. :'(


  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf Hmm. I’m not totally sure what we’re looking at on the Buff. Is it that dark “V” shaped area at 3:00 on the rim?

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    I've not had good luck with SPOT conserving. :'(

    Spot just missed you ;)

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @planetsteve said:
    @topstuf Hmm. I’m not totally sure what we’re looking at on the Buff. Is it that dark “V” shaped area at 3:00 on the rim?

    yes.

    It came back after conservation. My pix suck.
    Except for coin show mens room pix. ;)

  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

    Gotcha. It does a look a bit worse afterwards. I wonder what chemistry was all going on there.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no experience upon which to give advice, however I like the idea of selling it and replacing it with one you like more. Honestly (and I do not mean this in any negative way) my eyes went directly to the prime focal areas and not to the speck in question.

  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

    Well, I took the rest of the morning to think about this. When I picked up the coin again to admire it, my eyes weren't even drawn to the toning speck. I figured that all I would get out of talking and note-writing would be that PCGS would charge me ten bucks, then just send the coin back with a message saying "no thanks" and a bottle of Prozac.

    I did send it in for regrade and TV though. We'll see if it gets a plus.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe, but I wouldn’t even try. It’s not that obvious and you never know what’s going to show up post-conservation. It’s a nice looking dollar but there are plenty of others to chose from at the same grade.

  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭

    No way to tell about conservation potential from your photos. While I agree with others that it is not a big negative, I will admit, I never like a black spot on a coin.

    image Respectfully, Mark
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @planetsteve

    IMO, the spot will come off and no one will be the wiser. However there is a lot of money into this coin already, Grade + CAC. You'll just be dumping more $$$ into it plus taking the chance on the new grade and sticker. Just sell it. If you've owned it that long you probably will make a profit - right?

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2019 3:39PM

    Weimans tarnish remover. It works wonders and will make her pretty again.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It could probably be dipped off; however, since it is already CACed and these are not too hard to find, I would sell it as is and buy a new one.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is if the spot bothers you. I don't see it as a major problem.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2019 9:26PM

    @topstuf said:
    I've not had good luck with SPOT conserving. :'(


    But yours looks like an alloy/planchet issue. His doesn't. His looks like a toning fleck merely sitting on top of the surface. Yours clearly went into the surface itself.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @planetsteve said:

    @Broadstruck said:
    If you're talking about the speck by the R in LIBERTY it's not something I see as negative.

    Yup, that’s what I mean. I appreciate the feedback. :)

    "Dripping Luster" is how I would describe the surface of your coin.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭

    Whelp, I did get my coin back some time ago, and I just wanted to post results (66, no change, no plus, which seems fair frankly) and the TV. Also, I've recalibrated my attitude and dismissed the "spot" concern. It turns out that tiny feature looks like part of a larger system of toning effects on the obverse:

    Big thanks to all of you for the informative and supportive comments! :)

  • EbeneezerEbeneezer Posts: 335 ✭✭✭

    Not sure how the whole bean thing works if transferring from one slab to another. Meaning, Would it get another? Whether they do or do not, conserved I highly doubt they would sticker it. With that, remember, should you ever decide to sell for whatever reason those CAC slabs command a premium. Just a thought.

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