1916 mercury dime,, Full Bands designation??

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SilverEagle420
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Hey guys this is a 1916 mercury dime that I've had awhile but now that pcgs is giving FB designations I'm considering grading it..there is also a very nice pink toning to it but the camera hides that

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  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Far too many nicks and scrapes to bring much of a price. (Looks like Liberty has been in a fight with 1916 Heavyweight boxing champion Jess Willard.)

  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It looks like the lower bands are touching so I do not see it as FB, and I would second the other replies that the coin is not of sufficient grade to be worth the fees.

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  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    Uggh lol I suck so bad, from what I was reading that FB des. Adds 50 to 80 onto the value, that was why I was curious

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    Under a loupe the lower bands are in great shape, I'm wondering if my lighting is screwing up the opinions,,,

  • clarkbar04
    clarkbar04 Posts: 5,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A 16 does not have much of a premium in FB as they are pretty easy to find struck well. Even a 64FB sells for under $100.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    Ok thanks guys!!! Your advice has helped me to realize my screw ups

  • au58
    au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
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    Your coins looks to be full bands. Only the center bands are considered for this designation. The lower bands are not relevant to the designation.

  • au58
    au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
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    Even though it is full bands, it is not worthy of submission.

  • Hemispherical
    Hemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Many ways to find out what the value of the coin could be, GC, HA, Bay, Coin Facts:

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1916-10c-mercury-fb/4905

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    I use Whitman's, pcgs photograde, and the pcgs bi monthly, and usually ngc website

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not worth slabbing IMO.... Just way too much chatter on the obverse.... Cheers, RickO

  • Timbuk3
    Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    FB, but not economical to have it graded !!! :)

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  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If there are no clarinets, it cannot be a"full band."

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought the bottom lines did matter.

  • TomB
    TomB Posts: 23,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Smudge said:
    I thought the bottom lines did matter.

    For the FB designation only the middle bands matter. However, if they matter to the potential buyer then they are important.

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @TomB said:

    @Smudge said:
    I thought the bottom lines did matter.

    For the FB designation only the middle bands matter. However, if they matter to the potential buyer then they are important.

    Thanks. They matter to me soooo.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    Yea most 1919 I see are all beat down, I dont think my pics did it justice

  • jmlanzaf
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    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Yea most 1919 I see are all beat down, I dont think my pics did it justice

    Er...that's a 1916 in the photo...

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    My bad sorry, I'm very tired today

    theres a couple diff pics


  • Paradisefound
    Paradisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    FB but eye appeal sucks :#

    @SilverEagle420 said:
    Uggh lol I suck so bad, from what I was reading that FB des. Adds 50 to 80 onto the value, that was why I was curious

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    I cant get the light pink toning to show through on the pics

  • johnny9434
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    id pass on that and wait for a better one to come along. jmo

  • asheland
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    to the boards. A nice enough coin, but not worth slabbing like the others have said.

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  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Look for maximum detail on ALL of the coin, not just one isolated feature. This is a common trap for collectors - they search for only that one descriptor, such as "full bands" or "full steps," to the exclusion of the rest of the coin, and are then disappointed when they try to trade or sell and cannot find any interest.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    I honestly bought it for 35 and I jus really liked the subtle toning and it seemed in good shape, I will likely just keep it, jus didnt know if i had a rarity or not once I saw the FB desig.

  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not FB and not even Uncirculated. Sorry.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    @Wabbit2313 said:
    Not FB and not even Uncirculated. Sorry.

    Well ur the first to say no fb,, the center bands are what matter on that des.. but I knew for sure it was circulated, it does have a full cartwheel still

  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @Wabbit2313 said:
    Not FB and not even Uncirculated. Sorry.

    Well ur the first to say no fb,, the center bands are what matter on that des.. but I knew for sure it was circulated, it does have a full cartwheel still

    If you knew it was circulated, why are you even thinking of sending it in? Also, Stevie Wonder can see that this is not FB. The contact mark will disqualify it. The band is not split all the way to the end. It is circulated. AND everyone here thinks it is, so it usually won't be! :)

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  • Outhaul
    Outhaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019 11:26AM
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    Hate to break your heart again, cupcake, but that ain't no FB Merc.

    Have you given much thought to collecting, say, matchbooks?

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    For both of your condescending remarks, if you read my initial posts I was asking opinions on if it was an fb, and y'all are entitled to your opinions,, but I have stacks of morgans and ASE's I'm trying to branch out and educate myself, and fk matchbooks

  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like how he has to correct me and say the center bands are what matters, claiming he knows nothing about FB designations.

    I posted your own photo. If you can't see the band disrupted multiple times, you simply don't want to.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    I saw that its disrupted,, and I already accepted that you guys say its junk,, im.not even arguing, youbjus have a crap attitude

  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019 12:04PM
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    SilverEagle420 --
    This and other coins you've posted are not "junk." But what others are getting at is you evidently have a lot to learn about careful examination and grading of coins. The ANA has a fine class in grading and the cost is less than a few wasted TPG "gradings" of inferior coins.

    The negative personal attitude of some cannot be condoned, but everyone is a little different and have differing perspectives. Most will try to help, if you accept their help.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    All I'm here for is help, like I said I know my stuff on morgans and American silver eagles,, I'm trying to diversify and not great at "eyeballing" an altered coin, so no I'm not a newbie, but yes I am a newbie lol

  • RogerB
    RogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    We are all "newbies" in some respects. The challenge is to recognize our own short comings and to take advantage of those to learn.

  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I posted kindly, No FB, Not Uncirculated. Sorry. He then went postal. I whacked him back. Same dude, different day, different name.

  • thisistheshow
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    @SilverEagle420 said:
    All I'm here for is help, like I said I know my stuff on morgans and American silver eagles,, I'm trying to diversify and not great at "eyeballing" an altered coin, so no I'm not a newbie, but yes I am a newbie lol

    I have been collecting for only a handful of years. Thank God I have found some focus and direction or I would have gone crazy trying to satisfy that itch. I remember attempting to or thinking about buying raw examples of series I was unfamiliar with and realizing that it was very difficult to recognize what was a good purchase without proper context.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    @Wabbit2313 said:
    I posted kindly, No FB, Not Uncirculated. Sorry. He then went postal. I whacked him back. Same dude, different day, different name.

    I did not go "postal".. I responded with you are the first one to say that it wasnt" then you went off with stevie wonder jokes and yada yada, so essentially you insulted everyone in this thread prior to your post,,,

    Anyway thank you everyone.. including you wabbit, for all the great advice I will try to limit my posting from now on

  • Dreamcrusher
    Dreamcrusher Posts: 210 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019 2:16PM
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    SilverEagle420 - This is not a junk coin but a great coin, especially from a learning perspective because it brings into play so many issues when grading Mercury Dimes.
    There are a lot of hits, especially on the obverse focal points which will affect the grade. There are not as many hits on the reverse but unfortunately, there is an old saying that in most instances, the reverse of a coin can only hurt but never help the final grade.
    I agree that the coin shows a slight amount of wear so I do not believe it is mint state. While it is rare, there are examples of Mercury dimes that are not mint state but still have full bands.
    Your close-up images are very good and after carefully looking, I think the mark on the center bands disqualify it from being full bands. Think of the space between the two bands as a river that you must navigate a boat along. If there are any blockages that prevent the boat to continue, it is not full bands.
    Thank you for showing this coin.

  • Fairlaneman
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    @Wabbit2313 said:

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    @SilverEagle420 said:

    @Wabbit2313 said:
    Not FB and not even Uncirculated. Sorry.

    Well ur the first to say no fb,, the center bands are what matter on that des.. but I knew for sure it was circulated, it does have a full cartwheel still

    If you knew it was circulated, why are you even thinking of sending it in? Also, Stevie Wonder can see that this is not FB. The contact mark will disqualify it. The band is not split all the way to the end. It is circulated. AND everyone here thinks it is, so it usually won't be! :)

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    From this picture it almost looks like the middle band has been tooled. Another pit fall you have to watch out for when buying raw Mercury Dimes that look like they are FB.

    Buy the way your coin is not junk. Its just a decent circulated example.

    Ken

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    Ok so I came back from lunch and my loupe arrived so here's a shot at 30x and one at 60x

  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Overnight it for Express service grading. Looks like a great coin now.

  • SilverEagle420
    SilverEagle420 Posts: 255 ✭✭✭
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    Are you being sarcastic?? Lol

  • DIMEMAN
    DIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You guys need to lighten up on the new guy. It's not FB and not UNC and not worth the fees. That's all we need to say here. :)

    It's all good. B)

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @DIMEMAN said:
    You guys need to lighten up on the new guy. It's not FB and not UNC and not worth the fees. That's all we need to say here. :)

    It's all good. B)

    +1

    If the newbies are trolls, making sarcastic comments and baiting them just feeds the troll. If the newbies are not trolls, making sarcastic comments just makes you look the ass. When in doubt, ignore and move on.

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