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The next time a member describes a coin as HARSHLY CLEANED, it better look like this! :)

Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Harshly cleaned or buffed:

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    jabbajabba Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it


    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Harsh indeed. Good example and post.

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    dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks. Educational posts like these help a lot.


    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good thing it is not up & down & sideway rubs :#:s:D

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is painful to look at...

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That was harsh all right!

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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ouch.

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    mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    Good thing it is not up & down & sideway rubs :#:s:D

    The Patriots thread is over on the Sports Talk Forum. :D

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Senora Brillo

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wire brush😂

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mvs7 said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    Good thing it is not up & down & sideway rubs :#:s:D

    The Patriots thread is over on the Sports Talk Forum. :D

    This coin didn't have a happy ending. :#

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yikes, but I like it !!! :)

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ouch! :s:#

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    ARCOARCO Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The plus with common date cleaned gold is that often the numismatic premium is only slighter higher than value of the gold. I prefer uncleaned gold, but it is easier to accept a cleaned gold coin when you still have all that gold value.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Nah...those are from a heavily polished die! ;)

    While this is truly funny (at least to you, me and three others), unfortunately, there are probably a few lurkers who may be led astray even with the wink at the end.

    @Aotearoa said:
    Senora Brillo

    @crazyhounddog said:
    Wire brush😂

    Actually neither. Wire (even thin brass brush) leaves much deeper scratches.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since that’s a gold coin I’ll buy that. But! If a nickel I would say wire brush. I have one I’ll post today if I can find the time. It’s a 26-s buffalo nickel I had to take a Chance with. No cigar! I’ve shared it with one of my coin brothers already and it is quite something. Like a nightmare!!

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1926-S Buff, HARSHLY cleaned. No mention of any cleaning in the listing either. Now I would guess something like steel wool or maybe something even more aggressive was used. It any rate it's bad enough to show on this thread.

    Joe

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's just cabinet friction, from being stored in a cabinet full of sandpaper and dremel bits. :)

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ouch! looks like someone got after that with a Dremel too!

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2019 4:03PM

    My example

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    OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :#

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is one of the few slabs I've seen with the adverb "harshly" added. Great job PCGS!!

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :'(

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,410 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like she's staring into a stiff wind. Peace Roy

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    jabbajabba Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put it in your pocket for a while get a nice surface on it again


    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923

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    BJandTundraBJandTundra Posts: 400 ✭✭✭✭

    I think a pencil eraser can do damage consistent with what is seen there.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those coins need a coin Doctor.

    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
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    aus3000tinaus3000tin Posts: 369 ✭✭✭

    Is it a proof ?
    The date looks razor sharp.

    Chris

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there a "Ham-fisted Harshly Cleaned" designation?


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    ShipwreckCoinHunterShipwreckCoinHunter Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hear is one I ruined when was 10 yeas old

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    ShipwreckCoinHunterShipwreckCoinHunter Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now it is squeaky clean 🧼. Or a bit too clean 🧽

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good thread....we should categorize these when the methods are known... i.e. whizzed, cloth, brush etc.....Though, of course, it is the visible results that count....Cheers, RickO

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some seriously nasty coins shown here. I can’t look anymore cause it’s hurting my eyes.
    Happy hunting, Joe

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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i call that "steel wool toning."

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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    Some seriously nasty coins shown here. I can’t look anymore cause it’s hurting my eyes.
    Happy hunting, Joe

    it's like watching a gory movie...the horror!

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread is a tough pill to swallow! :s

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    batumibatumi Posts: 936 ✭✭✭✭

    @Timbuk3 said:
    Yikes, but I like it !!! :)

    Timbuk3: It's gold, and I do love this 'root of all evils'. I just love some pieces more so than others!> @markelman1125 said:

    Hear is one I ruined when was 10 yeas old

    Hopefully there is no '1893' on the obverse of that one!

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    ShipwreckCoinHunterShipwreckCoinHunter Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @batumi it’s at 1893. Just kidding. 😂🤣 I meant 1878-s 😂. No worries no 1893’s 👍

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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2019 9:03AM

    I agree 100% that some people here always want to comment that a coin has been harshly cleaned when it's a circulated coin with a few scattered hairlines. Below is one such coin that a lot of collectors might see as cleaned, but seen as circulation by Pcgs. I guess that's why some never buy raw coins.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,644 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that's a sad sight to see

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,684 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm curious where you would draw the line, Insider on acceptable "cleaning" and too much for a numerical grade? Plus glad you were able to get out of your wheel chair!

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said: "I'm curious where YOU would draw the line, Insider on acceptable "cleaning" and too much for a numerical grade? Plus glad you were able to get out of your wheel chair!

    My "line" is not important to anyone but me. I teach a strict "line" but it is still a personal thing for each student to decide. The TPGS have their own "line" and in my experience it is a wavy line.

    Here is the problem, Over a dozen folks came up the the table today at the Tampa show. Only one of them suspected some of his coins were cleaned and his picks were correct. The others had no clue! Two of them were dealers.. I spent over 15 minutes teaching one man to recognize the cleaning on his coins. I wouldn't let him leave the table until he could. BIG PROBLEM, folks don't know the correct way to use a hand lens and don't know how to examine a coin properly. On top of that, there is a difference between a mishandled coin and a coin that's been improperly cleaned. So where is the "line." I don't know, does the person know what improper cleaning looks like in the first place and can he even find it when the coin's color is yelling "I'm polished!" Short of taking a grading class or personal instruction, examine as many coins in "details" slabs as you can to help develop your skills.

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    santinidollarsantinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most of the people who cleaned these coins probably thought they did a great job. Sad!

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