new branch mint proof?
Long time lurker here usually I can find most answers im looking for via google. This one stumped me. I think branch mint proofs are very cool, had just saw this for the first time and didnt know 1894 new orleans proofs existed. Is this a new discovery? thanks 
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RE: "...had just saw this for the first time and didnt know 1894 new orleans proofs existed."
They don't. IF it were a proof, it had to be made in Philadelphia. However, it would take a personal examination to confirm it was made on a medal press as ALL proofs are.
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Wouldn't be the first time a branch mint made a proof. Take the 1838-O Half Dollar, as well as several early (and very rare} $10 Eagle coins. This is the the first later-date NO mint "proof" Eagle I've seen though. Could be ATS just having a "wishful thinking" moment.
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I would have a bit of skepticism on this one....
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@Zoins said:
It's a pop 0/1/0 coin ATS:- https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4828315-001/62/
- https://www.ngccoin.com/census/united-states/gold-eagles/67/?c=21899
Guess that settles it!
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@NumismaticLover....Welcome aboard....Nice coin, however the 'proof' designation looks questionable....could be just wear though... Cheers, RickO
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@RogerB said:
They don't. IF it were a proof, it had to be made in Philadelphia. However, it would take a personal examination to confirm it was made on a medal press as ALL proofs are.How could you tell the difference in hand?
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people made presentation pieces from time to time but almost every time these are attributed with hope, dreams and sales spin. Even with documentation who knows if that is “the” coins.
Why can’t it just be a DMPL a New Orleans eagle? Isn’t that special enough without make believe? People who use imagination to upsell coins are a blight one the proper scholastic portion of the hobby.
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@cameonut2011 said:
@RogerB said:
They don't. IF it were a proof, it had to be made in Philadelphia. However, it would take a personal examination to confirm it was made on a medal press as ALL proofs are.How could you tell the difference in hand?
Medal presses use higher pressure at slower speeds and often with mutiple strikes. The rims, reeds and letters/right angle elements of the design typically show tells of these.
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I wonder if this coin were in a PCGS holder if there would be this much discussion. Juts a thought; nothing more.
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@AlexinPA said:
I wonder if this coin were in a PCGS holder if there would be this much discussion. Juts a thought; nothing more.Funny you say that I think I found it last night
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RE: "How could you tell the difference in hand?"
A medal press (screw-type or hydraulic) operates differently than a production toggle press. This creates identifiable differences in coins made on different types of equipment. These affect every part and detail of the coins - not just some superficial characteristic such as "mirror-like surface."
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Specimen, maybe. Proof, no.
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Nice job finding some history on the coin NumismaticLover!
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I have a specimen I think, take a look. What do you guys think, new to pcgs forum .....
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Welcome to the forum.
Your coin appears to be a replica... sorry
When posting you should start your own thread so topics don't get mixed together.
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Thanks for welcoming
... I texted the weight and other tests, it’s not a replica.0 -
I noticed you have your own post on this now, I will respond there.
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Nice coin, great discussion. Thanks for sharing!
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@NumismaticLover said:
@AlexinPA said:
I wonder if this coin were in a PCGS holder if there would be this much discussion. Juts a thought; nothing more.Funny you say that I think I found it last night
Fascinating.
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Both illustrated coins are within the range of normal circulation strikes. Further, NO BRANCH MINT had a medal press, on which ALL legitimate proofs were made. The authentication company is mistaken.
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According to this at least two professional graders saw this coin. Could all involved be wrong?
https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-process/ngc-grading-process.aspx
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Not the first time ATS has graded a "Branch Mint" proof: [https://ngccoin.com/certlookup/3580552-001/63/](https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/3580552-001/63/ "https://ngccoin.com/certlookup/3580552-001/63/".
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@AlexinPA said:
According to this at least two professional graders saw this coin. Could all involved be wrong?https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-process/ngc-grading-process.aspx
Yes. For starters, look up "Proof MCMVII High Relief double eagles" -- the ones that never existed.
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@RogerB said:
@AlexinPA said:
According to this at least two professional graders saw this coin. Could all involved be wrong?https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-process/ngc-grading-process.aspx
Yes. For starters, look up "Proof MCMVII High Relief double eagles" -- the ones that never existed.
There's quite aq bit of info on those. They are priced up to 2.7 million back when.
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@AlexinPA said:
@RogerB said:
@AlexinPA said:
According to this at least two professional graders saw this coin. Could all involved be wrong?https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-process/ngc-grading-process.aspx
Yes. For starters, look up "Proof MCMVII High Relief double eagles" -- the ones that never existed.
There's quite aq bit of info on those. They are priced up to 2.7 million back when.
The Ultra High Reliefs are the documented ones that bring over a million dollars. Regarding the regular High Relief double eagles, one TPG labels some as Proofs while the other one will not. I think RogerB is referring to those.
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Yep. Manufacture of all MCMVII HR $20 was identical. The method ensured a wide variation in product quality due to multiple blows and annealing.
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