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FB Roosies, What Am I Missing?

cladkingcladking Posts: 30,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

Every time I look at a well struck clad Roosie it looks FB to me. A lot of these are scarce so there can't be too many of them.

I realize the right side is usually a little less struck up but then even on the best specimens it looks about the same to my eye.

tempus fugit extra philosophiam.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2019 5:55PM

    don't even look at the torch bands. One day, I will be forced to as this designation catches on as the specialists spread the word. AFAIK, the TPGS will add FT to the label. There are probably good images and definitions on the net.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like fully struck Dimes too. But the bands don't always determine this. Sometimes all the bands do is make the price stupid money.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 11,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    don't even look at the torch bands. One day, I will be forced to as this designation catches on as the specialists spread the word. AFAIK, the TPGS will add FT to the label. There are probably good images and definitions on the net.

    What are you talking about? Both PCGS and NGC have been using FB and FT designations respectively since 2003. There is a premium for the coins already. I think the word has already spread.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, stupid money for them....but I do see the reason as so many are not FB (or FT).
    I always thought that both upper and lower bands must be full split across the entire torch. Any deviation, even on the right edge, will kill the designation.

    bob :)

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the examples I have seen, the split must be perfect and extend the full band from edge to edge....anything less, even just a tad less (how do you measure a 'tad'?) and it will fail. Cheers, RickO

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It will be a good day when consistency creeps into these assigned designations.....

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have lots of razor sharp str> @AUandAG said:

    Yes, stupid money for them....but I do see the reason as so many are not FB (or FT).
    I always thought that both upper and lower bands must be full split across the entire torch. Any deviation, even on the right edge, will kill the designation.

    PCGS focuses only on the lower bands. These really are less likely to be pronounced on the right side. Maybe I just need to look at a lot more coins before I see the difference.

    I guess 1974 should be a good place to look after '72-D or one of the easier dates.

    Like Dimeman I've always concentrated on looking for hammered and razor sharp strikes without much attention to any given feature so my knowledge and experience with the bands is more limited. To me the bands were always one of the first things I looked at to judge the strike.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    From the examples I have seen, the split must be perfect and extend the full band from edge to edge....anything less, even just a tad less (how do you measure a 'tad'?) and it will fail. Cheers, RickO

    Thanks. Does this requires 5X magnification or more?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not think it would require more than 5X.... Most loupes (single lens) I have used are 10X... but the foldable lens loupes, such as Zeiss are 3x6x9 and do the job very well...Cheers, RickO

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    I would not think it would require more than 5X.... Most loupes (single lens) I have used are 10X... but the foldable lens loupes, such as Zeiss are 3x6x9 and do the job very well...Cheers, RickO

    Thanks.

    I'm trying to gain some experience at this now. It's apparent some dates are pretty "easy" and some are much tougher already.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    StoogeStooge Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the crazy comments posted here.

    "Stupid money for them" comment was made. I like this as this is not a Roosevelt collectors comment.
    Do you know how hard it is to get FB's on a 1974 Roosevelt Dime? Go find one and get it into an MS66 slab or higher. Good luck with that, as you'll probably win the lottery first. The one that is currently graded a MS67FB is a dog and not truly FB's IMHO. It was a gift grade.


    Later, Paul.

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