@amwldcoin said:
The simple solution would be to also submit a picture of the coin in the holder. I suppose some photoshop wizard could screw that idea though. Isn't their away to tell if a picture has been photoshopped? Seems like I remember someone telling me you could go into the image properties and tell what adjustments have been made to the picture.....but that was many years ago! Don't know about now.
@amwldcoin said:
Will PCGS consider allowing quality non true view pictures into CoinFacts? I do understand the desire for consistency. My experience has been that Trueviews offer the best possible look a coin can possibly have while the majority of my pictures are what one can expect the coin to look like in hand.
I believe many will concur with me that coinfacts pictures could be greatly expanded with PCGS approved outside sourced pictures!
This is an interesting idea. My main concern here would be the authenticity of the photos. With TrueViews, you are positive that is the coin as PCGS saw it. With one’s own photos, I wonder how PCGS could prevent counterfeiters from uploading photos of fake coins.
This is not an issue of consistency but of accuracy and image quality. If we were to allow non-TrueView images there would be no reasonable way for us to control the quality of the images or ensure that the correct coin is shown in the image.
@FadeToBlack said:
What about coins that aren't registered to any user but have TV's? Are they in by default?
I'll take the free trueviews, I was gonna reholder some stuff anyway.
Only coins that are added to a PCGS Set Registry will be added to the CoinFacts database
Will the top 3 coins still be added to a CoinFacts if they are not in the PCGS Set Registry or will they be treated the same as other coins?
Seems like it would be nice to have control for the top 3 coins as well as a prominent collector on the forums says he doesn’t get his top coins photographed and having this control may help.
The top three featured coins are unaffected by this change.
@HeatherBoyd said:
Feel free to share your thoughts on the CoinFacts Comparative Image Database announcement.
Is there a way to bulk download into a notepad file the cert numbers of every coin you have ever submitted?
There are many ways to easily add multiple PCGS coins to your Set Registry inventory. I will try to show all of them.
1) Add items from an order
Go to the "Orders" page on the Set Registry site, choose an order and select (or deselect) the items of your choosing, and tap "Add to My Inventory". By default all items in the order are selected.
2) Use the mobile app
If you have physical access to your coins, scanning the barcode or QR code is probably one of the fastest ways to add an item to your inventory. The process in the app is streamlined to add multiple items in a row. This should be faster than typing each cert number by hand.
3) Add Inventory options
Upload a CSV file of cert numbers
Using Excel (PC) or Numbers (Mac) you can create a CSV file where you can set a header to "CertNo" and type all the cert numbers you'd like to add below. If you have the cert numbers from another file or spreadsheet just copy them and paste them in the CSV file.
On the "Add Inventory" page, choose the "Import Items From CSV" tab and upload your file.
Manually enter each cert number in the bulk import feature
If you don't have an existing spreadsheet and don't (or can't) use the other options you can use the bulk import feature to add all your PCGS coins in one go.
On the "Add Inventory" page, ensure you are on the "Add PCGS Items" tab and simply enter each cert number, one per line. You can even choose to have the items automatically add to any existing set where they fill a slot or upgrade an existing item.
As mentioned elsewhere please ensure you have the option enabled to make the images in your inventory public from the "Preferences" menu. This setting is enabled by default.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions!
The offer for Trueviews is nice but one flaw is that some folks, like myself have a large number of rattler, and OGH holders that wouldn't ever want to reholder and lose the value of the old holders. Perhaps PCGS might consider some incentive for the slab collectors as well in the future.
@coinbuf said:
The offer for Trueviews is nice but one flaw is that some folks, like myself have a large number of rattler, and OGH holders that wouldn't ever want to reholder and lose the value of the old holders. Perhaps PCGS might consider some incentive for the slab collectors as well in the future.
PCGS does in-holder a TrueViews. A few have been posted here.
I for one would like to thank PCGS for appeasing all of us and doing this. We really do have to remember PCGS is not required to do any of this. My hats off to the people at PCGS that made this happen.
@coinbuf said:
The offer for Trueviews is nice but one flaw is that some folks, like myself have a large number of rattler, and OGH holders that wouldn't ever want to reholder and lose the value of the old holders. Perhaps PCGS might consider some incentive for the slab collectors as well in the future.
PCGS does in-holder a TrueViews. A few have been posted here.
Correct but that's not my point, the current offer is in conjunction with the reholder service which is of no value to owners of older slabs. Maybe something like a quarterly special of buy three trueviews (inholder) and get one or two done for free, its not a big deal to me as I've had most of my pro photos done by Mark Goodman so I wouldn't be sending in my coins at all, but it might be an incentive for others and a way to get more pics repopulated into coinfacts.
@HeatherBoyd While I (much) preferred the old situation in which all trueviews were available, the change so that those in registry sets are available is definitely for the better. I am thinking of bidding on a coin in this week's GreatCollections auction and the ability to examine other coins in the same grade has really increased the likelihood I'll bid. So, thanks!
I'm disappointed in the Coinfacts / privacy changes and finding how PCGS is handling all of these even more troubling. I find it annoying that good insightful comments are getting removed and people are getting temp bans. PCGS - if you don't like constructive criticism you may as well close these forums.
I have always been a PCGS fan...and though I would be forever (all of my coins have TrueView - have spent thousands on your imaging), but if you want honest market feedback, I am starting to submit more to your competitors since all this and it has shaken my confidence in the company as whole. Data is never the enemy.
@amwldcoin said:
The simple solution would be to also submit a picture of the coin in the holder. I suppose some photoshop wizard could screw that idea though. Isn't their away to tell if a picture has been photoshopped? Seems like I remember someone telling me you could go into the image properties and tell what adjustments have been made to the picture.....but that was many years ago! Don't know about now.
@amwldcoin said:
Will PCGS consider allowing quality non true view pictures into CoinFacts? I do understand the desire for consistency. My experience has been that Trueviews offer the best possible look a coin can possibly have while the majority of my pictures are what one can expect the coin to look like in hand.
I believe many will concur with me that coinfacts pictures could be greatly expanded with PCGS approved outside sourced pictures!
This is an interesting idea. My main concern here would be the authenticity of the photos. With TrueViews, you are positive that is the coin as PCGS saw it. With one’s own photos, I wonder how PCGS could prevent counterfeiters from uploading photos of fake coins.
This is not an issue of consistency but of accuracy and image quality. If we were to allow non-TrueView images there would be no reasonable way for us to control the quality of the images or ensure that the correct coin is shown in the image.
PCGS Europe routinely takes TrueViews with the coin already holdered by PCGS. Perhaps that can be done for the older holder PCGS coins that collectors have and wish to keep in those historic holders. Obviously, those coins were NEVER imaged before, and so this would be a manner in which those specific coins could be presented in CoinFacts for those who wish to have those TrueViews.
@amwldcoin said:
The simple solution would be to also submit a picture of the coin in the holder. I suppose some photoshop wizard could screw that idea though. Isn't their away to tell if a picture has been photoshopped? Seems like I remember someone telling me you could go into the image properties and tell what adjustments have been made to the picture.....but that was many years ago! Don't know about now.
@amwldcoin said:
Will PCGS consider allowing quality non true view pictures into CoinFacts? I do understand the desire for consistency. My experience has been that Trueviews offer the best possible look a coin can possibly have while the majority of my pictures are what one can expect the coin to look like in hand.
I believe many will concur with me that coinfacts pictures could be greatly expanded with PCGS approved outside sourced pictures!
This is an interesting idea. My main concern here would be the authenticity of the photos. With TrueViews, you are positive that is the coin as PCGS saw it. With one’s own photos, I wonder how PCGS could prevent counterfeiters from uploading photos of fake coins.
This is not an issue of consistency but of accuracy and image quality. If we were to allow non-TrueView images there would be no reasonable way for us to control the quality of the images or ensure that the correct coin is shown in the image.
PCGS Europe routinely takes TrueViews with the coin already holdered by PCGS. Perhaps that can be done for the older holder PCGS coins that collectors have and wish to keep in those historic holders. Obviously, those coins were NEVER imaged before, and so this would be a manner in which those specific coins could be presented in CoinFacts for those who wish to have those TrueViews.
We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!
If this is the fix for CoinFacts, then I am deeply disappointed. Only a small percentage of images were added back. I used the cite for in-depth research on die marriages, provenance, condition census, etc., spending significant time on it. Now it is fairly useless.
Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are complaining don't plan on doing anything to make the situation better.
(getting thier coins TrueView'ed and posting them in an inventory)
Also...
On the registry page, it would be helpful if the camera icon indicated how many TrueView pics were available in that person's set. Most of the time, I click it and there are only a couple of really bad photos. The person's set might as well be private for as interesting as it is. Maybe a different color icon to indicate 25% 50% or 75% TrueView???
@ReadyFireAim said:
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are complaining don't plan on doing anything to make the situation better.
(getting thier coins TrueView'ed and posting them in an inventory)
Also...
On the registry page, it would be helpful if the camera icon indicated how many TrueView pics were available in that person's set. Most of the time, I click it and there are only a couple of really bad photos. The person's set might as well be private for as interesting as it is. Maybe a different color icon to indicate 25% 50% or 75% TrueView???
That’s cause I value my privacy and don’t want anyone to know my exact holdings (including PCGS)...which a registry does. It’s also extra work that I won’t waste my time on.
I don’t see how a TruView owned by PCGS violates people’s privacy when it’s not tied to a person. That argument is thanks to the dealers who want their potential customers with less information to make an informed decision.
This move (in my personal opinion) seems like a way to get people to start a PCGS registry more than anything...
@ReadyFireAim said:
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are complaining don't plan on doing anything to make the situation better.
(getting thier coins TrueView'ed and posting them in an inventory)
Also...
On the registry page, it would be helpful if the camera icon indicated how many TrueView pics were available in that person's set. Most of the time, I click it and there are only a couple of really bad photos. The person's set might as well be private for as interesting as it is. Maybe a different color icon to indicate 25% 50% or 75% TrueView???
That’s cause I value my privacy and don’t want anyone to know my exact holdings (including PCGS)...which a registry does. It’s also extra work that I won’t waste my time on.
I don’t see how a TruView owned by PCGS violates people’s privacy when it’s not tied to a person. That argument is thanks to the dealers who want their potential customers with less information to make an informed decision.
This move (in my personal opinion) seems like a way to get people to start a PCGS registry more than anything...
Yep I started my first registry after 60 years of collecting .
Collection from the West ....... Cap & Rays 8 reales 1823 - 1897 .
I am 1.69% complete.
I will be taking PCGS up on the reholder/trueview offer....but probably will drop off coins at a show to avoid insurance shipping costs.
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
@ReadyFireAim said:
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are complaining don't plan on doing anything to make the situation better.
(getting thier coins TrueView'ed and posting them in an inventory)
Also...
On the registry page, it would be helpful if the camera icon indicated how many TrueView pics were available in that person's set. Most of the time, I click it and there are only a couple of really bad photos. The person's set might as well be private for as interesting as it is. Maybe a different color icon to indicate 25% 50% or 75% TrueView???
That’s cause I value my privacy and don’t want anyone to know my exact holdings (including PCGS)...which a registry does. It’s also extra work that I won’t waste my time on.
I don’t see how a TruView owned by PCGS violates people’s privacy when it’s not tied to a person. That argument is thanks to the dealers who want their potential customers with less information to make an informed decision.
This move (in my personal opinion) seems like a way to get people to start a PCGS registry more than anything...
Yep I started my first registry after 60 years of collecting .
Collection from the West ....... Cap & Rays 8 reales 1823 - 1897 .
I am 1.69% complete.
I will be taking PCGS up on the reholder/trueview offer....but probably will drop off coins at a show to avoid insurance shipping costs.
I messaged Heather to ask if the reholder/TrueView offer holds up a time shows, and she told me it does not. So you’ll still have to pay the extra $5 for secure at the show.
@ReadyFireAim said:
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are complaining don't plan on doing anything to make the situation better.
(getting thier coins TrueView'ed and posting them in an inventory)
Also...
On the registry page, it would be helpful if the camera icon indicated how many TrueView pics were available in that person's set. Most of the time, I click it and there are only a couple of really bad photos. The person's set might as well be private for as interesting as it is. Maybe a different color icon to indicate 25% 50% or 75% TrueView???
That’s cause I value my privacy and don’t want anyone to know my exact holdings (including PCGS)...which a registry does. It’s also extra work that I won’t waste my time on.
I don’t see how a TruView owned by PCGS violates people’s privacy when it’s not tied to a person. That argument is thanks to the dealers who want their potential customers with less information to make an informed decision.
This move (in my personal opinion) seems like a way to get people to start a PCGS registry more than anything...
I agree the point of this change seems to be to encourage Registry Sets which is good for the business, but the privacy implication is interesting. It seems like there may be privacy issues around the current solution too.
I like the old way better. What I now use is the auction history to look at images on other sites. I would like to see the last 5 auctions expanded to 10 or more!
Maybe PCGS should go back to basics and examine the purposes of their "Coin Facts" product. Have these changed from its initial implementation? What is the role of user communication? How is the product managed to best serve product goals and objectives?
For some coins (using a tablet and the web version) if you click “Auctions - PCGS Graded” you get a live link to all prior auctions of that denomination. You can then hone in by grade, sale date, grading service, CAC and exclude ebay. An example that I was just using is for the 1857 flying eagle cent. I’ve used this often, though it does not exist for some coins.
@HeatherBoyd said: "We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!"
I have a suggestion. Formerly, if I went to Google and typed in a particular coin - lets say 1870-S Dollar. Listings would pop up under the heading of "all." There was also a listings for "images." Most of the time, I went to the PCGS site where images of three (if available) DIFFERENT specimens graded by PCGS would be shown. Then, I could click on an image and blow it up. This option is no longer available. Now I can magnify (not very much) a single part of the coin at a time. This would be OK if I could enlarge the box. Furthermore, trying to load the image takeds so long I don't try anymore.
What I would like is to go back to the old way. You can see what is helpful by looking up a coin in a Heritage auction. I can magnify one of there images to cover my entire computer screen. The option to magnify a image is useful for authentication.
@Insider2 said: @HeatherBoyd said: "We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!"
I have a suggestion. Formerly, if I went to Google and typed in a particular coin - lets say 1870-S Dollar. Listings would pop up under the heading of "all." There was also a listings for "images." Most of the time, I went to the PCGS site where images of three (if available) DIFFERENT specimens graded by PCGS would be shown. Then, I could click on an image and blow it up. This option is no longer available. Now I can magnify (not very much) a single part of the coin at a time. This would be OK if I could enlarge the box. Furthermore, trying to load the image takeds so long I don't try anymore.
What I would like is to go back to the old way. You can see what is helpful by looking up a coin in a Heritage auction. I can magnify one of there images to cover my entire computer screen. The option to magnify a image is useful for authentication.
You can still do that Skip, but you have to save the coin to your computer first, then open it and zoom in. Wait until the full image loads on Coinfacts after you click the coin, then right click the image and "save".
I do not understand how having coins tied to me through registry or other means of adding to the database protects my privacy more than having the same coin appear without some type of link to me as it was before? Actually, It seems quite the opposite.
I sent in 23 coins through my authorized dealer before the change. They would have shown up on Coinfacts with no way to trace any of them to me ever under any circumstance. Now I have to claim ownership of these, online. We all know that when data is online, even under "secure" methods, it can be compromised. (see Equifax)
Could someone please explain how this new system protects my privacy better than when the images were 100% anonymous. At least how it is even close to equal?
Going forward, however, I have to wonder the whole "privacy" issue will rear its head again when PCGS starts doing automated mug shots of every coin they holder (cf., New Year's Q&A). While the mug shots won't be automatically visible in the CoinFacts images, punching up a slab number will show you the picture of a coin the way it looked when it was holdered that perhaps someone won't want you to see. If they can make that coin private, then the docs can easily defeat the purpose of those mug shots.
@Insider2 said: @HeatherBoyd said: "We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!"
I have a suggestion. Formerly, if I went to Google and typed in a particular coin - lets say 1870-S Dollar. Listings would pop up under the heading of "all." There was also a listings for "images." Most of the time, I went to the PCGS site where images of three (if available) DIFFERENT specimens graded by PCGS would be shown. Then, I could click on an image and blow it up. This option is no longer available. Now I can magnify (not very much) a single part of the coin at a time. This would be OK if I could enlarge the box. Furthermore, trying to load the image takeds so long I don't try anymore.
What I would like is to go back to the old way. You can see what is helpful by looking up a coin in a Heritage auction. I can magnify one of there images to cover my entire computer screen. The option to magnify a image is useful for authentication.
You can still do that Skip, but you have to save the coin to your computer first, then open it and zoom in. Wait until the full image loads on Coinfacts after you click the coin, then right click the image and "save".
Thanks, I may try this sometime but it's a big nuisance! I've moved on. I never needed to save the coin at any place I now use and recommend. Furthermore, I've got a very fast computer and I don't need to be staring at a bunch of dots going around for so long that I just give up! Thus, I've lost what I formerly considered a "favorite," and a virtual museum of genuine coin diagnostics.
@Edthelorax said:
I do not understand how having coins tied to me through registry or other means of adding to the database protects my privacy more than having the same coin appear without some type of link to me as it was before? Actually, It seems quite the opposite.
I sent in 23 coins through my authorized dealer before the change. They would have shown up on Coinfacts with no way to trace any of them to me ever under any circumstance. Now I have to claim ownership of these, online. We all know that when data is online, even under "secure" methods, it can be compromised. (see Equifax)
Could someone please explain how this new system protects my privacy better than when the images were 100% anonymous. At least how it is even close to equal?
@Insider2 said: @HeatherBoyd said: "We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!"
I have a suggestion. Formerly, if I went to Google and typed in a particular coin - lets say 1870-S Dollar. Listings would pop up under the heading of "all." There was also a listings for "images." Most of the time, I went to the PCGS site where images of three (if available) DIFFERENT specimens graded by PCGS would be shown. Then, I could click on an image and blow it up. This option is no longer available. Now I can magnify (not very much) a single part of the coin at a time. This would be OK if I could enlarge the box. Furthermore, trying to load the image takeds so long I don't try anymore.
What I would like is to go back to the old way. You can see what is helpful by looking up a coin in a Heritage auction. I can magnify one of there images to cover my entire computer screen. The option to magnify a image is useful for authentication.
You can still do that Skip, but you have to save the coin to your computer first, then open it and zoom in. Wait until the full image loads on Coinfacts after you click the coin, then right click the image and "save".
This is possible, but the Heritage system is still much easier than downloading every image you want to see.
Any trueview image made available in CoinFacts is better than if it were not available so I'd say this move is a step in the right direction.
In a perfect world all trueview images would be available for viewing but in the "real world" I'd bet that most folks that submit coins for grading could care less about including them in "their registry", or even know that there is such a thing as a PCGS registry.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't you think that the vast majority of coins that are submitted for grading are submitted by dealers? Can you imagine the headache it would be to add all their coins to "their registry" and then delete them when they are sold or resubmitted for upgrades? Never going to happen.
For now I guess we should be happy with and thankful for the PCGS compromise. More images is better than less images after all,
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
@Insider2 said: @HeatherBoyd said: "We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!"
I have a suggestion. Formerly, if I went to Google and typed in a particular coin - lets say 1870-S Dollar. Listings would pop up under the heading of "all." There was also a listings for "images." Most of the time, I went to the PCGS site where images of three (if available) DIFFERENT specimens graded by PCGS would be shown. Then, I could click on an image and blow it up. This option is no longer available. Now I can magnify (not very much) a single part of the coin at a time. This would be OK if I could enlarge the box. Furthermore, trying to load the image takeds so long I don't try anymore.
What I would like is to go back to the old way. You can see what is helpful by looking up a coin in a Heritage auction. I can magnify one of there images to cover my entire computer screen. The option to magnify a image is useful for authentication.
You can still do that Skip, but you have to save the coin to your computer first, then open it and zoom in. Wait until the full image loads on Coinfacts after you click the coin, then right click the image and "save".
Thanks, I may try this sometime but it's a big nuisance! I've moved on. I never needed to save the coin at any place I now use and recommend. Furthermore, I've got a very fast computer and I don't need to be staring at a bunch of dots going around for so long that I just give up! Thus, I've lost what I formerly considered a "favorite," and a virtual museum of genuine coin diagnostics.
I will ping our development team and see what we can do about this. Thank you for the constructive feedback.
I am disappointed by the number of photos that have been deleted. Yesterday I was looking up the 1855-D gold dollar. I wanted to look at pictures of pieces in the circulated grades. Unfortunately there aren't any on the Coin Facts site. I know that there were some earlier.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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This is not an issue of consistency but of accuracy and image quality. If we were to allow non-TrueView images there would be no reasonable way for us to control the quality of the images or ensure that the correct coin is shown in the image.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
The top three featured coins are unaffected by this change.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Is there any alternate system to returning old labels after recertification for deleting old grading?
There are many ways to easily add multiple PCGS coins to your Set Registry inventory. I will try to show all of them.
1) Add items from an order
Go to the "Orders" page on the Set Registry site, choose an order and select (or deselect) the items of your choosing, and tap "Add to My Inventory". By default all items in the order are selected.
2) Use the mobile app
If you have physical access to your coins, scanning the barcode or QR code is probably one of the fastest ways to add an item to your inventory. The process in the app is streamlined to add multiple items in a row. This should be faster than typing each cert number by hand.
3) Add Inventory options
Upload a CSV file of cert numbers
Using Excel (PC) or Numbers (Mac) you can create a CSV file where you can set a header to "CertNo" and type all the cert numbers you'd like to add below. If you have the cert numbers from another file or spreadsheet just copy them and paste them in the CSV file.
On the "Add Inventory" page, choose the "Import Items From CSV" tab and upload your file.
Manually enter each cert number in the bulk import feature
If you don't have an existing spreadsheet and don't (or can't) use the other options you can use the bulk import feature to add all your PCGS coins in one go.
On the "Add Inventory" page, ensure you are on the "Add PCGS Items" tab and simply enter each cert number, one per line. You can even choose to have the items automatically add to any existing set where they fill a slot or upgrade an existing item.
As mentioned elsewhere please ensure you have the option enabled to make the images in your inventory public from the "Preferences" menu. This setting is enabled by default.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions!
Software Engineer, PCGS
app@pcgs.com
@PCGSdev - Thanks! That makes it so much easier!
The offer for Trueviews is nice but one flaw is that some folks, like myself have a large number of rattler, and OGH holders that wouldn't ever want to reholder and lose the value of the old holders. Perhaps PCGS might consider some incentive for the slab collectors as well in the future.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
PCGS does in-holder a TrueViews. A few have been posted here.
I for one would like to thank PCGS for appeasing all of us and doing this. We really do have to remember PCGS is not required to do any of this. My hats off to the people at PCGS that made this happen.
Correct but that's not my point, the current offer is in conjunction with the reholder service which is of no value to owners of older slabs. Maybe something like a quarterly special of buy three trueviews (inholder) and get one or two done for free, its not a big deal to me as I've had most of my pro photos done by Mark Goodman so I wouldn't be sending in my coins at all, but it might be an incentive for others and a way to get more pics repopulated into coinfacts.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
@HeatherBoyd While I (much) preferred the old situation in which all trueviews were available, the change so that those in registry sets are available is definitely for the better. I am thinking of bidding on a coin in this week's GreatCollections auction and the ability to examine other coins in the same grade has really increased the likelihood I'll bid. So, thanks!
I'm disappointed in the Coinfacts / privacy changes and finding how PCGS is handling all of these even more troubling. I find it annoying that good insightful comments are getting removed and people are getting temp bans. PCGS - if you don't like constructive criticism you may as well close these forums.
I have always been a PCGS fan...and though I would be forever (all of my coins have TrueView - have spent thousands on your imaging), but if you want honest market feedback, I am starting to submit more to your competitors since all this and it has shaken my confidence in the company as whole. Data is never the enemy.
I do see more TrueViews available in CoinFacts - see this one example:
1976 3-inch Silver Libertas restrike
PCGS Europe routinely takes TrueViews with the coin already holdered by PCGS. Perhaps that can be done for the older holder PCGS coins that collectors have and wish to keep in those historic holders. Obviously, those coins were NEVER imaged before, and so this would be a manner in which those specific coins could be presented in CoinFacts for those who wish to have those TrueViews.
We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
If this is the fix for CoinFacts, then I am deeply disappointed. Only a small percentage of images were added back. I used the cite for in-depth research on die marriages, provenance, condition census, etc., spending significant time on it. Now it is fairly useless.
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are complaining don't plan on doing anything to make the situation better.
(getting thier coins TrueView'ed and posting them in an inventory)
Also...
On the registry page, it would be helpful if the camera icon indicated how many TrueView pics were available in that person's set. Most of the time, I click it and there are only a couple of really bad photos. The person's set might as well be private for as interesting as it is. Maybe a different color icon to indicate 25% 50% or 75% TrueView???
My Saint Set
I guess I have a lot of cert numbers to type in to My Inventory.
If I make my inventory public, does that make the owner comments public too?
Choice Numismatics www.ChoiceCoin.com
CN eBay
All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!
That’s cause I value my privacy and don’t want anyone to know my exact holdings (including PCGS)...which a registry does. It’s also extra work that I won’t waste my time on.
I don’t see how a TruView owned by PCGS violates people’s privacy when it’s not tied to a person. That argument is thanks to the dealers who want their potential customers with less information to make an informed decision.
This move (in my personal opinion) seems like a way to get people to start a PCGS registry more than anything...
Yep I started my first registry after 60 years of collecting .
Collection from the West ....... Cap & Rays 8 reales 1823 - 1897 .
I am 1.69% complete.
I will be taking PCGS up on the reholder/trueview offer....but probably will drop off coins at a show to avoid insurance shipping costs.
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I messaged Heather to ask if the reholder/TrueView offer holds up a time shows, and she told me it does not. So you’ll still have to pay the extra $5 for secure at the show.
I agree the point of this change seems to be to encourage Registry Sets which is good for the business, but the privacy implication is interesting. It seems like there may be privacy issues around the current solution too.
CoinFacts was created at the right time by the right folks.
I thought it continued to build upon itself as more data and pics were collected.
Large asset. Many would gladly pay for the resource. Hope it didn't sell cheap.
In this day and age more info is better than less.
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I like the old way better. What I now use is the auction history to look at images on other sites. I would like to see the last 5 auctions expanded to 10 or more!
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Maybe PCGS should go back to basics and examine the purposes of their "Coin Facts" product. Have these changed from its initial implementation? What is the role of user communication? How is the product managed to best serve product goals and objectives?
For some coins (using a tablet and the web version) if you click “Auctions - PCGS Graded” you get a live link to all prior auctions of that denomination. You can then hone in by grade, sale date, grading service, CAC and exclude ebay. An example that I was just using is for the 1857 flying eagle cent. I’ve used this often, though it does not exist for some coins.
@HeatherBoyd said: "We are looking into feedback regarding TrueViews for holdered coins. Thank you all!"
I have a suggestion. Formerly, if I went to Google and typed in a particular coin - lets say 1870-S Dollar. Listings would pop up under the heading of "all." There was also a listings for "images." Most of the time, I went to the PCGS site where images of three (if available) DIFFERENT specimens graded by PCGS would be shown. Then, I could click on an image and blow it up. This option is no longer available. Now I can magnify (not very much) a single part of the coin at a time. This would be OK if I could enlarge the box. Furthermore, trying to load the image takeds so long I don't try anymore.
What I would like is to go back to the old way. You can see what is helpful by looking up a coin in a Heritage auction. I can magnify one of there images to cover my entire computer screen. The option to magnify a image is useful for authentication.
You can still do that Skip, but you have to save the coin to your computer first, then open it and zoom in. Wait until the full image loads on Coinfacts after you click the coin, then right click the image and "save".
I do not understand how having coins tied to me through registry or other means of adding to the database protects my privacy more than having the same coin appear without some type of link to me as it was before? Actually, It seems quite the opposite.
I sent in 23 coins through my authorized dealer before the change. They would have shown up on Coinfacts with no way to trace any of them to me ever under any circumstance. Now I have to claim ownership of these, online. We all know that when data is online, even under "secure" methods, it can be compromised. (see Equifax)
Could someone please explain how this new system protects my privacy better than when the images were 100% anonymous. At least how it is even close to equal?
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A step in the right direction. Thanks for this.
Going forward, however, I have to wonder the whole "privacy" issue will rear its head again when PCGS starts doing automated mug shots of every coin they holder (cf., New Year's Q&A). While the mug shots won't be automatically visible in the CoinFacts images, punching up a slab number will show you the picture of a coin the way it looked when it was holdered that perhaps someone won't want you to see. If they can make that coin private, then the docs can easily defeat the purpose of those mug shots.
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Thanks, I may try this sometime but it's a big nuisance! I've moved on. I never needed to save the coin at any place I now use and recommend. Furthermore, I've got a very fast computer and I don't need to be staring at a bunch of dots going around for so long that I just give up! Thus, I've lost what I formerly considered a "favorite," and a virtual museum of genuine coin diagnostics.
Good point. I wonder how this can be addressed.
This is possible, but the Heritage system is still much easier than downloading every image you want to see.
Any trueview image made available in CoinFacts is better than if it were not available so I'd say this move is a step in the right direction.
In a perfect world all trueview images would be available for viewing but in the "real world" I'd bet that most folks that submit coins for grading could care less about including them in "their registry", or even know that there is such a thing as a PCGS registry.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't you think that the vast majority of coins that are submitted for grading are submitted by dealers? Can you imagine the headache it would be to add all their coins to "their registry" and then delete them when they are sold or resubmitted for upgrades? Never going to happen.
For now I guess we should be happy with and thankful for the PCGS compromise. More images is better than less images after all,
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I will ping our development team and see what we can do about this. Thank you for the constructive feedback.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
I am disappointed by the number of photos that have been deleted. Yesterday I was looking up the 1855-D gold dollar. I wanted to look at pictures of pieces in the circulated grades. Unfortunately there aren't any on the Coin Facts site. I know that there were some earlier.