CoinFacts Update Discussion Thread
HeatherBoyd
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Feel free to share your thoughts on the CoinFacts Comparative Image Database announcement.
Full announcement: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1014752/coinfacts-comparative-image-database-update#latest
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
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https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1014752/coinfacts-comparative-image-database-update#latest
I think the original Coin Facts was useful because it would allow you to see a large number of coins in various grades at the same time. For varieties/die marriages, it was incredibly useful especially when looking at striking characteristics when grading early federal coinage.
My concern is that many people will not participate in the new program, and that many useful images will still be omitted; however, I applaud you and @BrettPCGS for the compromise solution. The True View special was also very generous. I hope that everyone will do their part and add coins to the registry inventory even if not to a set to increase the number of available images.
With this said, if PCGS ever reconsiders (I understand if it doesn't) the policy of exempting out of the auto-availability feature, I'm sure that many collectors would volunteer to help weed out the redundant images. I know that I would dedicate a few hours each month, free of charge, to help go through and kill the images if allowed to do so. A small task force could clear up a lot of the redundant mess. Also, if someone is selling a coin or upgrading a coin before the group had a chance to kill it, there could also be a way to flag those images for deletion.
Regardless, I don't want my message to come off as ungrateful. I truly appreciate that PCGS is trying to be receptive to our concerns. Thanks!
It sounds good, but has enormous holes in it that reduce its value. The flaw that big money and crackout submitters hated has been solved in that coins resubmitted dozens of times for regrade now disappear entirely because only coins in currently public sets will be listed. However, how many thousands of useful images will stay dark because their owners do not have a publicly listed registry set?
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Well, maybe I'm blind but I'm looking around on CoinFacts and I don't see any link that lets me see the photos in the database.
Apart from that, I think it's outstanding that PCGS listened to responses on the forum and formulated a plan. While not a perfect solution, it does restore much of the usefulness of CoinFacts when doing research (assuming I can eventually find a way to actually see the photos.)
It looks like you will only be able to see the extra photos if they are in a Registry. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll see the Registry coins.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
@robec,
I'm looking on a desktop. I see condition census coins, but nowhere do I see photos of any registry coins. I'm looking at coins that are in my registry with TrueView images.
Yea!...Instead of 3 coins there will be 5.
If my set wasn't public, half the pics of lower graded saints wouldn't be there.
You can thank me by clicking LOL
My Saint Set
The update is currently being deployed and should be fully available for everyone by the end of today if not tomorrow morning
I updated the post to be more clear.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Right. I've got to develop patience. I wonder how long that will take........
I think Heather said the images will be uploaded tomorrow.
I also agree with Tom. The solution by PCGS helps in many ways avoid the privacy issues but there are SO many people who simply send in their coins for either grading or reholdering with true view imaging that don’t have a registry set, and have no plans of starting one...but just want their coin imaged so that they can look at it whenever they want and/or share it with others. These countless images will unfortunately be unavailable to everyone else.
Dave
It would be these at the bottom of the page.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Is there a way to allow all coins registered to an owner to be released?
I give permission for any coin I own to be on CoinFacts, in a set or not. All my sets are public anyhow, but I have extras too.
I would be happy to be able to see more than 3 images per coin on mobile or the app.
The app has only 3 that I can access per coin.
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Hi Dave,
We understand that starting a registry set is not for everyone. However those people who enjoy sharing their images will likely enjoy having them listed in the database. That is why coins that are simply added to a set registry inventory and are not part of a set, are also included so long as the inventory is public. Those who wish to keep their full inventory private but would like to showcase certain coins on the database can do so by adding them to a public showcase, again no set needed.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Just add them to your inventory in Set Registry and they will be listed! no need to add them to a set
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Heather,
Did the suggestion of having a check off box on the submission form stating that the submitter allows or does not allow PCGS to use the image they are requesting to be used on Coin Facts ever get tossed around when trying to come up with a solution to the Coin Facts issue?
If so, I’m curious why it was shot down.
It seems that it would take care of any privacy issue right from the get go. Correct?
Thanks,
Dave
Please correct me if I’m wrong Heather, but it seems that anyone who simply starts a registry inventory, but does NOT start a set where it is listed in a specific category, can STILL have their images be included on Coin Facts?
If so, that pretty much solves just about everything. The owner of the coin simply needs to open a registry inventory. That doesn’t seem like too much trouble...at least to me it doesn’t.
Thanks for clarifying that up Heather!
Dave
That is correct Dave!
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
This would not be a viable solution for previously imaged coins and would not allow for an easy opt-out should someone change their mind.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Better than it was at least. I still miss seeing them all though.
1794 cents are fairly well represented. It’s a start, thank you.
EAC 6024
I was not aware that there was an option to make my inventory public or private.
Where is that option located?
Edit: Found it in "My Preferences"
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
Wonderful. Of course just last week I got back 11 coins sent in for TV.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Is there a way to bulk download into a notepad file the cert numbers of every coin you have ever submitted?
Also, what if we do subsequently upgrade a coin? If we delete a coin from our registry inventory, does the coin disappear from Coin Facts or is it there forever once uploaded initially?
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This tie to the registry set is an interesting proposal. I have 9 complete sets of Barber half's....grades are 12,15,20,25,30,35,40,45, + 58-58+. I don't have them published at the moment due to earlier...to put it lightly squabbles on the forum here. Very few of my coins are true viewed and obviously I'm not going to spend 8K to have them true viewed.
I have quality images of many of my coins(and could be all!). Almost all are what I would consider a benchmark to shoot for when acquiring the best example you can find for the grade.
Will PCGS consider allowing quality non true view pictures into CoinFacts? I do understand the desire for consistency. My experience has been that Trueviews offer the best possible look a coin can possibly have while the majority of my pictures are what one can expect the coin to look like in hand.
I believe many will concur with me that coinfacts pictures could be greatly expanded with PCGS approved outside sourced pictures!
My primary interest would be educational rather than trying to connect the dots on any given coin's possible history and embarrass someone. I usually check the shared order option as I didn't see any problem letting others know what results I experienced, much of that now is obscured by all the foreign orders being shared. The more information collectors and dealers have the better.
It is very nice that the images are returning. I checked a random coin (1844 half dollar) and got images all the way down to G04. Wonderful the images have returned. Thanks, PCGS.
Excellent move!
Collector, occasional seller
Yes! The same programs that runs nightly to pickup new coins added to the set registry will remove coins that have been removed from the set registry 🙂
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Only coins that are added to a PCGS Set Registry will be added to the CoinFacts database
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Coins that have additional images beyond the top three have the “view all images” button in the same location that it previously existed.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing
Cool. I have it now. Wasn't showing up before.
I checked out a few random pages....... 1795 Flowing Hair half, 1927-S Peace dollar, 1912 Barber half, 1920 Pilgrim. There's a decent selection and all of my friends are there. Good compromise if you ask me.
I see that option now...........didn't see it earlier. That's great!! Thank you very much!
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
At least fade to black didn't sugar coat it
Martin
Better than just showing three images of course.
Still nowhere near as good as it used to be and still very disappointing that you let a few dealers ruin a really good product instead of cleaning up duplicate photos and having these upset dealers just opt out of future photos on their submissions.
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Will the top 3 coins still be added to a CoinFacts if they are not in the PCGS Set Registry or will they be treated the same as other coins?
Seems like it would be nice to have control for the top 3 coins as well as a prominent collector on the forums says he doesn’t get his top coins photographed and having this control may help.
I do like this option, again!
I agree there will be many more photos the original way but this is perhaps the best compromise that can be achieved.
I am concerned that with this approach the pops will get even more out of sync with reality as there is no longer a check for duplicate coins.
This is an interesting idea. My main concern here would be the authenticity of the photos. With TrueViews, you are positive that is the coin as PCGS saw it. With one’s own photos, I wonder how PCGS could prevent counterfeiters and doctors from uploading photos of fake and gassed coins.
Impressive program that is mining and digging out TV's that qualify to be added.
I did my civic duty and made my inventory public to contribute to the pic database. At least for now until I feel different.
Now you guys can admire ridicule my collection.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
The simple solution would be to also submit a picture of the coin in the holder. I suppose some photoshop wizard could screw that idea though. Isn't their away to tell if a picture has been photoshopped? Seems like I remember someone telling me you could go into the image properties and tell what adjustments have been made to the picture.....but that was many years ago! Don't know about now.
Thank you for the added images!
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@HeatherBoyd said:
So, any coins in a registry set with a trueview that are upgraded by another (different) coin with a trueview will be replaced and therefore no longer visable in CoinFacts, correct?
Proof Buffalo Registry Set
Capped Bust Quarters Registry Set
Proof Walking Liberty Halves Registry Set
Well, for visual consistency, I’d prefer using my own photos in the registry, but it always defaults to a TrueView if there is one.
In the certification and TrueView database though, I’d want PCGS to retain sole ownership and management of their own photos and not accept outside images. This will be increasingly important as counterfeiting evolves.
Better than it was, but i'd like to add a suggestion. In one of my old submissions from 2012 (#4622387), images were done for the coins in that submission, but they are not visible to the general public. They were not True Views, I believe they were created because images for some of the grades did not exist in the CoinFacts database at the time. I would have no objection to have those for public use - those coins are just in my inventory and not in any registry sets. There should be an option for the owner to make the images public without having to do a registry.
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My Instagram picturesErik
My registry sets
Too novice to opine but for sure a beautiful world there
No, by keeping the coin that was replaced in your inventory (which is separate from sets) it will remain on CoinFacts.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing