@Lakesammman said:
As much as I like plastic, they are a nuisance to store - sold 7 of them in the last year. Only have 2 left, 2 versions of the Danny Kaye.
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
Sold one of my Danny Kaye's . . . . . have one left just as a holder example.
I am always amused at the comments made on the 'cracking of those holders as soon as I get them'. As someone who is a bit tied in to the "holder market" . . . .I seriously doubt those of you who would so quickly pop off about cracking would just throw away an automatic 2k on an NGC Black . . . or a 1k+ premium on a US coin in a Regency . . . . just for a $200 upgrade (maybe????) on the coin.
Not going to believe it . . . . . no one does that.
I definitely remember those holders. IMO they were a fairly lame attempt at a so-called "premium" holder, were overpriced, were unpopular, and were terminated and soon forgotten.
Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.
these have always seemed like a piece of Historical Memorabilia to me. I think they get a bad rap due the large number of Danny Kaye Israel coins in them. also, I think it hurts the collectability when they are without the bag or anything else that came with them.
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
I've got a $20 St. G' in one of these Regency Holders,
with my daughters name on it - her 3rd birthday, I think)
- I had heard about the 'new' holders at the time and
thought it would be cool to have a coin in that holder.
I've got it around here somewhere - I liked it then, and
I like it now......if I could find it!
Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
@FredWeinberg said:
I've got a $20 St. G' in one of these Regency Holders,
with my daughters name on it - her 3rd birthday, I think)
- I had heard about the 'new' holders at the time and
thought it would be cool to have a coin in that holder.
I've got it around here somewhere - I liked it then, and
I like it now......if I could find it!
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
@jughead1893 said:
If a valuable holder is cracked to get the coin in another holder then it really is all about the PLASTIC
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
But you are cracking it out of a holder.... to put it... into... a holder.... if the holder doesn't matter why not leave it in the one that will actually add value when it's time to sell? Are a few registry points really worth $1000 and destruction of numismatic TPG history? Maybe the holders weren't sought after when you cracked them, I don't know when you did, but they certainly are now.
How have you even found several black NGC holders? Let along ones with a specific variety. I think I've only ever seen one or two for sale. They don't show up hardly ever.
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
But you are cracking it out of a holder.... to put it... into... a holder.... if the holder doesn't matter why not leave it in the one that will actually add value when it's time to sell? Are a few registry points really worth $1000 and destruction of numismatic TPG history? Maybe the holders weren't sought after when you cracked them, I don't know when you did, but they certainly are now.
It's more important to me to get the coin into my Registry set and it has to be attributed for that and that calls for a reholder.
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
But you are cracking it out of a holder.... to put it... into... a holder.... if the holder doesn't matter why not leave it in the one that will actually add value when it's time to sell? Are a few registry points really worth $1000 and destruction of numismatic TPG history? Maybe the holders weren't sought after when you cracked them, I don't know when you did, but they certainly are now.
It's more important to me to get the coin into my Registry set and it has to be attributed for that and that calls for a reholder.
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
But you are cracking it out of a holder.... to put it... into... a holder.... if the holder doesn't matter why not leave it in the one that will actually add value when it's time to sell? Are a few registry points really worth $1000 and destruction of numismatic TPG history? Maybe the holders weren't sought after when you cracked them, I don't know when you did, but they certainly are now.
It's more important to me to get the coin into my Registry set and it has to be attributed for that and that calls for a reholder.
Sure if it has the right coin number on the label. Fact is though the Regency holder doesn't fit into the PCGS box's.....so I would reholder anyway. I just don't care about holders.
I would never consider doing what DIMEMAN suggests, but I don't care a whit about registries, Is what DIMEMAN suggesting any worse than the money wasted by other means chasing registry points?
@oldabeintx said:
I would never consider doing what DIMEMAN suggests, but I don't care a whit about registries, Is what DIMEMAN suggesting any worse than the money wasted by other means chasing registry points?
I'm not chasing points.....I am filling holes. It's all about completeness to me.
@oldabeintx said:
I would never consider doing what DIMEMAN suggests, but I don't care a whit about registries, Is what DIMEMAN suggesting any worse than the money wasted by other means chasing registry points?
I'm not chasing points.....I am filling holes. It's all about completeness to me.
Me too, I just define completeness differently I guess. My collection is a hodge podge of different holders, unsuitable for a competitive registry . Some sets or series, such as medals, are raw. To each his own.
@oldabeintx said:
I would never consider doing what DIMEMAN suggests, but I don't care a whit about registries, Is what DIMEMAN suggesting any worse than the money wasted by other means chasing registry points?
I'm not chasing points.....I am filling holes. It's all about completeness to me.
Me too, I just define completeness differently I guess. My collection is a hodge podge of different holders, unsuitable for a competitive registry . Some sets or series, such as medals, are raw. To each his own.
A collection is what you want it to be. If PCGS does't have a Registry set that fits and won't make a new one to accommodate me then I make a Showcase set.
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
So here is a hypothetical. Let's say you found one of those 3 or 4 Roosie varieties you needed and it was already in a PCGS holder. Let's say that Roosie is valued at $500 (just a guess as I don't collect them). If another collector paid you $2500 not to buy the coin, would you take the money or turn down the 'free' $2500?
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@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
So here is a hypothetical. Let's say you found one of those 3 or 4 Roosie varieties you needed and it was already in a PCGS holder. Let's say that Roosie is valued at $500 (just a guess as I don't collect them). If another collector paid you $2500 not to buy the coin, would you take the money or turn down the 'free' $2500?
I would keep the coin. I know that sounds silly to you, but they are that hard to find.
@FredWeinberg said:
I've got a $20 St. G' in one of these Regency Holders,
with my daughters name on it - her 3rd birthday, I think)
- I had heard about the 'new' holders at the time and
thought it would be cool to have a coin in that holder.
I've got it around here somewhere - I liked it then, and
I like it now......if I could find it!
That's a nice reason to get one!
Have you thought about giving it to your daughter?
@oreville said:
I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder. I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
So here is a hypothetical. Let's say you found one of those 3 or 4 Roosie varieties you needed and it was already in a PCGS holder. Let's say that Roosie is valued at $500 (just a guess as I don't collect them). If another collector paid you $2500 not to buy the coin, would you take the money or turn down the 'free' $2500?
I would keep the coin. I know that sounds silly to you, but they are that hard to find.
Well ... at least you are consistent.
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I don't like the Regency holders at all.
For some reason they remind me of a mini version of a digital step-on scale if those were around in 1974. (Maybe they were...I dunno...)
Yuck!
But I would not crack one. Nor would I crack an old NGC black.
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I own a quite common 1916 -P mercury dime in MS-65 FB in a Regency holder. It was given to me as a GIFT from an old time collector as the previous owner made me promise I would never crack it out.
Would Dimeman have kept such a promise under the same circumstance?
Sold one of my Danny Kaye's . . . . . have one left just as a holder example.
I am always amused at the comments made on the 'cracking of those holders as soon as I get them'. As someone who is a bit tied in to the "holder market" . . . .I seriously doubt those of you who would so quickly pop off about cracking would just throw away an automatic 2k on an NGC Black . . . or a 1k+ premium on a US coin in a Regency . . . . just for a $200 upgrade (maybe????) on the coin.
Not going to believe it . . . . . no one does that.
Drunner
Problem is you cant stand them on their sides
I don't own one, but I'd seen a few at larger coins shows. Recently, I saw a few on Great Collections as well.
Honestly, I don't really care for these holders. They take up a LOT of room, storage-wise. Very bulky!
Dave
I definitely remember those holders. IMO they were a fairly lame attempt at a so-called "premium" holder, were overpriced, were unpopular, and were terminated and soon forgotten.
Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.
I wonder if back in the day PCGS employees used those holders to play ping pong during lunchtime?
these have always seemed like a piece of Historical Memorabilia to me. I think they get a bad rap due the large number of Danny Kaye Israel coins in them. also, I think it hurts the collectability when they are without the bag or anything else that came with them.
NO.....crack...crack. If it was a variety I needed attributed.
I've got a $20 St. G' in one of these Regency Holders,
with my daughters name on it - her 3rd birthday, I think)
- I had heard about the 'new' holders at the time and
thought it would be cool to have a coin in that holder.
I've got it around here somewhere - I liked it then, and
I like it now......if I could find it!
Perhaps little 'Hallie' used it to buy ice cream!
the slabs are neat looking, I like
If a valuable holder is cracked to get the coin in another holder then it really is all about the PLASTIC
This is a great disservice to the rest of collectors who would really appreciate that old holder.
I guarantee that variety, whatever it might be, would be easier to find again than a regency or an original NGC black holder.
Agree, circular logic...
Collector, occasional seller
Not really. There 3 or 4 Roosie varieties that I can't find. I guarantee you if I found any of them in a Regency or Black NGC they would get cracked in a heartbeat. I already have done several Black NGC. I don't see many Regency holders, but if I found a variety I needed or just a regular coin I really liked...…..crack crack....sorry but the coin is more important than any holder to me.
But you are cracking it out of a holder.... to put it... into... a holder....
if the holder doesn't matter why not leave it in the one that will actually add value when it's time to sell? Are a few registry points really worth $1000 and destruction of numismatic TPG history? Maybe the holders weren't sought after when you cracked them, I don't know when you did, but they certainly are now.
Collector, occasional seller
How have you even found several black NGC holders? Let along ones with a specific variety. I think I've only ever seen one or two for sale. They don't show up hardly ever.
Collector, occasional seller
It's more important to me to get the coin into my Registry set and it has to be attributed for that and that calls for a reholder.
What! You can't put a Regency holder in your set??? I would think you could.
Just making sure we are on the same planet here. You're saying you've broken, and would break these holders?
Not these ones that no one cares about?..
Just have to clarify
Collector, occasional seller
Sure if it has the right coin number on the label. Fact is though the Regency holder doesn't fit into the PCGS box's.....so I would reholder anyway. I just don't care about holders.
The best coin that I have seen in a regency holder is a $20 1870-cc. That’s one time that the holder didn’t add much of a premium.
I would never consider doing what DIMEMAN suggests, but I don't care a whit about registries, Is what DIMEMAN suggesting any worse than the money wasted by other means chasing registry points?
I'm not chasing points.....I am filling holes. It's all about completeness to me.
Me too, I just define completeness differently I guess. My collection is a hodge podge of different holders, unsuitable for a competitive registry . Some sets or series, such as medals, are raw. To each his own.
A collection is what you want it to be. If PCGS does't have a Registry set that fits and won't make a new one to accommodate me then I make a Showcase set.
So here is a hypothetical. Let's say you found one of those 3 or 4 Roosie varieties you needed and it was already in a PCGS holder. Let's say that Roosie is valued at $500 (just a guess as I don't collect them). If another collector paid you $2500 not to buy the coin, would you take the money or turn down the 'free' $2500?
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I would keep the coin. I know that sounds silly to you, but they are that hard to find.
That's a nice reason to get one!
Have you thought about giving it to your daughter?
Well ... at least you are consistent.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I don't like the Regency holders at all.
For some reason they remind me of a mini version of a digital step-on scale if those were around in 1974. (Maybe they were...I dunno...)
Yuck!
But I would not crack one. Nor would I crack an old NGC black.
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