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keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

Let's try an interesting exercise. Let's assume you are the CEO of PCGS, the HeadHoncho for a single day. If you could institute one single, binding change to how PCGS grades/authenticates coins what would it be?? I know what my choice would be but I'll wait for a few replies or suggestions before I post that change.

Thanks in advance .

Al H.

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  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Finalizer or additional eyes to verify all Variety Attribution submissions

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2019 1:41PM

    Place keets on a consulting contract ;)

    Convert grading to a strict technical standard and eliminate eye appeal as a factor best left to the market.

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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2019 1:46PM

    Quick sentence describing why a coin didn't cross, or was problem graded.

    Not talking about a paragraph long dissertation. Just a sentence, or two, identifying the issue, and location. (Doesn't even require a sentence! A phrase or two).

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  • zodiac65zodiac65 Posts: 275 ✭✭✭

    All newly/regraded coins go into an additional population report, so that eventually, we have a more accurate condition census again.

    Runner-up idea: improved holder composition to prevent coins from turning/degrading in the holder, especially copper.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No more grading by naked eye for moderns.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2019 2:06PM

    Wouldn't change anything. PCGS is doing a nice job.

  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As much as I hate to say it, they should give NGC some competition for grading ancients. Many of us "old guard" don't want slabs but they do serve a purpose and NGC is currently running largely unchecked (ANACS makes up a tiny, tiny portion of the market).

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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grade everything 2 grades stricter so they all end up gold cac.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2019 2:20PM

    @scubafuel said:
    Grade everything 2 grades stricter so they all end up gold cac.

    That doesn't necessarily mean gold CAC, it could be green CAC too. @Luxor just posted a green bean that was upgraded 2 grades and then it got another green bean.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    please, no CAC.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,144 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2019 2:37PM

    @scubafuel said:
    Grade everything 2 grades stricter so they all end up gold cac.

    why not just put their own platinum beans on everything

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eliminate 'eye appeal'.... it is even more subjective than the grade opinion..... and develop AI to standardize grading. Cheers, RickO

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Drop "MS" from the label.

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Allow the CAC sticker to be applied at the time of the grading so that it is on the actual label, not on the plastic. :)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Make it easier to get pedigrees :)

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    Let's try an interesting exercise. Let's assume you are the CEO of PCGS, the HeadHoncho for a single day. If you could institute one single, binding change to how PCGS grades/authenticates coins what would it be?? I know what my choice would be but I'll wait for a few replies or suggestions before I post that change.

    Thanks in advance .

    Al H.

    I would kill off marketing grading and establish a uniform, static grading scale.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    Wouldn't change anything. PCGS is doing a nice job.

    What did you do this time? What are you atoning for? This post isn't like you. :)

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:
    Allow the CAC sticker to be applied at the time of the grading so that it is on the actual label, not on the plastic. :)

    That's a great idea. PCGS could move to Far Hills, NJ and hire CAC to be the finalizer. The coin is assigned the maximum grade that renders it bean worthy. I love it!

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Coinstartled said:
    Wouldn't change anything. PCGS is doing a nice job.

    What did you do this time? What are you atoning for? This post isn't like you. :)

    I like PCGS a lot. I don't submit so wait times are never an issue. Grading criteria is more than sufficient and this forum is the best numismatic site on the net.

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I was CEO, my only action would be to bam Coinstartled for too much sucking up. Thank me.

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2019 10:32PM

    .

  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Make whatever staffing changes required to reduce the turnaround time to less than 7 days for all coins.

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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My big thing has, and will always be technical grading.

    Put a technical grade on the label and leave eye appeal for the buyers and sellers to fight over.

    Cheers

    Bob

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An alternative to my first instinct would be to assign two grades to a coin: a stable technical grade and then a modern market grade, leaving the chips to fall where they fall. I would probably mandate that the registry be based on market grading largely because it would continue to drive revenues from resubmissions.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While agreeing with one or two and not to repeat, I would start offering to grade obverse and reverse and list the grades on the holder(not mandatory, just by request).
    Jim


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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish split grades had never been dropped. It sure makes headaches for price guides. But an MS-60/65 is not as desirable as an MS-60/67. Since the value does not change much it does not matter and that's what we have today, "commercial (value) grading." :) MS-61 covers both coins as you'll hardly ever see an MS-60 graded MS-60. The grade does not exist anymore.

    In a decade, all the old dinosaur "technical" graders will be DEAD and things will go much smoother. :p

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019 2:14PM

    @Insider2 said:
    I wish split grades had never been dropped. It sure makes headaches for price guides. But an MS-60/65 is not as desirable as an MS-60/67. Since the value does not change much it does not matter and that's what we have today, "commercial (value) grading." :) MS-61 covers both coins as you'll hardly ever see an MS-60 graded MS-60. The grade does not exist anymore.

    In a decade, all the old dinosaur "technical" graders will be DEAD and things will go much smoother. :p

    Barring something tragic and untimely, I should still be around twenty years from now. >:)

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    Wouldn't change anything. PCGS is doing a nice job.

    Thank you for the kind words. Your fee structure will remain as it is.

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When mistakes are made - label error, wrong variety attribution, etc. Reimburse the customer for the postage to re send it and no fees whatsoever to correct it - including shipping it back.

    WS

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd break MS down to 4 grades, like you find on certain inserts on ancient coins.

    Strike: 67
    Surfaces: 63.5
    Luster: 64
    Overall Technical Grade: 64
    Eye Appeal: +0.5
    Final Grade: MS64+

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    100% eliminate the current market grading approach, the current system of grading eye appeal and assigning grades based on price is just wrong.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any huge changes to the status quo grading (as some are suggesting) MUST be done at both top services or PCGS would loose market share to ATS.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unless what PCGS does is perceived as better. In that case, they'd gain market share.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Move from Newport Beach, CA. to Pittsburgh, PA.

  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭

    I would do away with the much rumored and highly secret in-house RASP (Random Assured reSubmittal Program), which purposefully throws a head scratcher into almost every submission, guaranteeing members must keep cracking out occasional coins and trying again until the House gets it right.

    :)

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Use a plastic for the slabs that instantly makes any "stickers" vanish without a trace.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ReadyFireAim said:
    Move from Newport Beach, CA. to Pittsburgh, PA.

    Better to move to a no tax state. The top guys would get $$$$ more without getting an actual raise.

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @ReadyFireAim said:
    Move from Newport Beach, CA. to Pittsburgh, PA.

    Better to move to a no tax state. The top guys would get $$$$ more without getting an actual raise.

    Maybe Florida?

    GrandAm :)
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2019 7:48PM

    @Insider2 said:
    Any huge changes to the status quo grading (as some are suggesting) MUST be done at both top services or PCGS would loose market share to ATS.

    I don't see that happening. After downing NGC for so long and promoting PCGS only, there would be MANY dealers with egg on their face. Many dealers will not consider NGC coins for most issues and some will not consider NGC coins for consignment.

  • slider23slider23 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭✭

    Implement the Next Gen Holder that has an anti counterfeit encryption code that can be verified online.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Add grades 5, 7, 11, 18 and 48 to the mix.

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Add coin mug shots (obverse and reverse) to the Cert Verification page of every single coin graded. Doesn’t have to be fancy!

    Dave

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  • Sun DiegoSun Diego Posts: 63 ✭✭✭

    Allow customers to have a line on the label to add whatever they want (I.e. date found, location, happy birthday, happy divorce).

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