Grade this Morgan and $5 Indian

asheland · February 8, 2019 10:41AM

Paradisefound · February 8, 2019 10:45AM

AU58 and MS63 and I like the both

coinbuf · February 8, 2019 10:46AM

Unc details cleaned for the 1914 (might be a fake), harshly cleaned, damaged VF details for the morgan (also possible fake?).

asheland · February 8, 2019 11:16AM

@jwitten @Insider2 ?

ChrisH821 · February 8, 2019 11:23AM

My gut is telling me they are both fake. If not I'd say AU on the Indian and a definite no grade on the Morgan.
There was clearly something removed above IGWT on the Morgan, probably the word COPY if I was to make a bet

AlexinPA · February 8, 2019 11:23AM

Definite clean job on the Morgan. Also leaning to a 'might be fake'. The Indian XF or AU. That's the best I can do.

asheland · February 8, 2019 11:28AM

I'll reveal in a little while. I saw them in hand a few minutes ago...

jwitten · February 8, 2019 11:29AM

I mainly deal with $2 1/2's, but the $5 looks fake to me. No clue on the morgan.

segoja · February 8, 2019 11:34AM

Hard to tell from the pics

Don't like the knife edge on the rev of the gold. The Morgan....from these pics looks OK some damage above In God WE Trust on the rev of the CC

asheland · February 8, 2019 11:35AM

@Swampboy ?

PerryHall · February 8, 2019 11:35AM

Both fake.

jwitten · February 8, 2019 11:36AM

I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I would put big money on the gold being fake after looking at the pics closer. It has the same look as fake $2 1/2 Indians.

Hallco · February 8, 2019 11:38AM

@segoja said:

The Morgan....from these pics looks OK some damage above In God WE Trust on the rev of the CC

OR...it could be stamped "Copy" and @asheland is trying to trick us!

asheland · February 8, 2019 11:53AM

They are both fake, really easy to tell in hand, they walked into the shop earlier and I told the customer.

I asked if he was ok with my taking a picture of them and he was fine with that. They are really easy in hand and especially under a loupe.

The $5 Indian isn't even real gold as a lot of them are. That's the reverse rotation shown in the second picture. It's a pretty pitiful fake. I didn't weigh it, I wish I did now but it was noticeably lightweight in hand.

I thought you all would enjoy seeing them. Sorry the picture isn't any better, I just shot them quickly with the phone...

asheland · February 8, 2019 12:01PM

Here's a cropped picture of the Indian: Check out that date!

AUandAG · February 8, 2019 12:34PM

Who removed COPY off that horrible Morgan??? Fake as heck.
Can't tell you about the gold except it look mushy in central area of obverse. Perhaps a fake, too?

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Smudge · February 8, 2019 1:00PM

I don't like either one. Pass on both especially the Morgan.

BillJones · February 8, 2019 1:55PM

I think that they are both counterfeits.

291fifth · February 8, 2019 2:20PM

Maybe the CC stands for Canton, China?

Wabbit2313 · February 8, 2019 2:33PM

What is the story with the person? Was he suckered, or trying to do that to you folks?

asheland · February 8, 2019 2:36PM

@Wabbit2313 said:
What is the story with the person? Was he suckered, or trying to do that to you folks?

He claimed that they belonged to a "friend" and wanted to get them checked out... ugh huh..

Walkerfan · February 8, 2019 2:37PM

Both Fake.

Swampboy · February 8, 2019 2:47PM

Late to the party.
I wonder if your 'customer' is still attempting to slip these back into the hobby somehow.

Do you think he she/he was taken @asheland ?

asheland · February 8, 2019 2:49PM

@Swampboy said:
Late to the party.
I wonder if your 'customer' is still attempting to slip these back into the hobby somehow.

Do you think he she/he was taken @asheland ?

I wondered the same. The dealers in the area should be safe as these were very easy to detect in hand. Online is a different matter... I certainly hope they don't try to pass them off on anyone...