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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    7 sold.....

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $20.79 for a counterfeit iron ASE. You can buy a genuine ASE right now for under $19. That's too funny.

    And the photo they are using must have come from the mint's site. That is not a photo of one of their counterfeits.

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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭

    WONDER WHAT THE RETURN RATE WILL BE?

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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2019 7:09PM

    reported. counterfeit copy coin.

    Aside from using a pic of an actual ASE the violation is: Copy coin listed in coin category. Violates ebay coin policy.

    Had the seller not identified it as "iron material," there would be no listing violation but we all know that a Chinese fake will be received by the buyers.

    @Akbeez said:
    At least they are somewhat honest about being made of "sturdy iron" further down in the listing. However the title states ".999 Silver". Which is it? Do we really care?

    We care because it will eventually be resold on ebay as an authentic ASE.

    "A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."

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    AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At least they are somewhat honest about being made of "sturdy iron" further down in the listing. However the title states ".999 Silver". Which is it? Do we really care?

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love that seller's name ... "i.best_seller"

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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    EdtheloraxEdthelorax Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    reported. counterfeit copy coin.

    Do you mean outside of normal ebay report item?

    @Akbeez said:
    At least they are somewhat honest about being made of "sturdy iron" further down in the listing. However the title states ".999 Silver". Which is it? Do we really care?

    I care because the buyer may not admit it is counterfeit and then sell it to some unsuspecting buyer trying to become interested in our hobby. Ebay does nothing to punish these rip-off artists, giving them enough to maintain a profit and thus promote copying all US coins.

    To be sure, this will be removed by tomorrow. Anyone can PM me with counterfeit listings on ebay.
    Ed

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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ebay depends on its users to help police the marketplace. When a valid violation is pointed out to them they are normally good about taking action.

    report using normal ebay reporting link. counterfeit, remarks: copy coin listed in coin category, violates ebay coin policy

    "A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Feedback is awful.

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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    Feedback is awful.

    So is their product.

    Many happy BST transactions
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    EdtheloraxEdthelorax Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Ebay depends on its users to help police the marketplace. When a valid violation is pointed out to them they are normally good about taking action.

    report using normal ebay reporting link. counterfeit, remarks: copy coin listed in coin category, violates ebay coin policy

    Thank you.
    I have reported blatant counterfeits through normal "report item" function on ebay only to watch them sell out days later.
    It was this exact issue that drove me to join numismatic forums. I was fortunate enough to find friends that care as much (actually even more) as I do, who have the ability to get these abominations removed in a timely manner.
    Ebay does not care about US federal law. The Hobby protection Act and The Collectible Coin Protection Act in particular.
    If they did, they would not allow violators to continue after removing dozens of listings in over a one year period.
    The FTC does nothing when a US based violator is reported to them. Same with secret service or FBI.
    I would like very much to open a discussion about the fact that Every single group that should be stopping this is sitting on their thumbs ANA included. With the possible exception of a group of collectors that love our hobby enough to dedicate their own personal time doing the work that others are just too lazy to do their own jobs. (The only other reasonable justification for this to continue would be some grand conspiracy.)

    Ed

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    Anyone can PM me Any Time about Any thing.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,033 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I see a low feedback seller, such as this guy, I report the auction as fraud. It's intentional and thus it's fraud.

    bob :(

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    EdtheloraxEdthelorax Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Let's try an experiment. Only @AUandAG report this listing, OK? It states it is counterfeit. So let us see how long it takes to be removed. This will maybe give an indication of ebay's complacency.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-American-Silver-Eagle-GEM-BU-PRESALE-SKU55748-HOT-BRAND-NEW/173755674715?hash=item2874a5305b:g:c20AAOSw~rhcR14z:rk:114:pf:0

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,033 ✭✭✭✭✭

    done.

    bob :)

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yikes !!! :s

    Timbuk3
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    When I see a low feedback seller, such as this guy, I report the auction as fraud. It's intentional and thus it's fraud.

    bob :(

    When I see a numismatic item being sold from China, I pretty much know it's intentional and a fraud.....

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the more people that report an item as counterfeit, the better the odds ebay will take them serious.

    "A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."

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    EdtheloraxEdthelorax Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    It;s not a question of anyone's professional or armature opinion if a ASE is listed like this:
    "Country/Region of Manufacture: Vietnam"
    I can not see a justifiable reason that this shouldn't be removed with just one report. If it was a 16 Merc. with an added "D" I could understand.

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reported. Premium iron would be steel wouldn't it? :D

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

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    sarikanairsarikanair Posts: 154 ✭✭✭

    Oh my God! This proves the fact that a lot of armature coin collectors and numismatists are buying fake coins like these at such high rates... good for the seller... the fact that anyone and everyone can host coins on eBay, makes the site unreliable

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't everyone buy their ASE's from eBay sellers located in China? :D

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Me love you long time GI.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    Feedback is awful.

    It was good on the eyebrow remover. :D

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin don't come with happy ending. :o;):D

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,033 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1st coin is still up. The one I reported as fraud is GONE.

    bob :(:)

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The listing is gone now... did anyone grab a screenshot?? Cheers, RickO

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,033 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    The listing is gone now... did anyone grab a screenshot?? Cheers, RickO

    Screenshot would do no good. He was using a US Mint rendition.

    bob

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG .... Thanks, I went back and saw that mentioned.... Cheers, RickO

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