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Hidden counting machine damage!
Insider2
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This SLQ looks like a 64 to 65 coin. Many won't like the toning but without it the scrape damage on the head and letters around the circumference of the piece would be more obvious.
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Wrapping damage.....
bob
Step back with the camera my dudes so we can see all of the coin.
How do you know it's from a counting machine and not just a form of other friction? Is there a diagnostic to look for?
That could be from those small short surfer dudes using it as a Frisbee at Pebble Beach
Steve
I call it counting wheel damage. many believe It occurs when the coins are rolled after being counted. When you see a circular gouge around the inner rim of a coin, that's what happened. Most of the time the damage is only on one part of the coin. I've even seen this on 19th Century Liberty nickels all the way up to modern coins and SE. Perhaps they had coin wrapping machines in the late 1800's.
I've bought several with this damage and have skipped bidding on many others. Most damages are evident, while some are not. On ebay, if the coins cannot be enlarged, you run the risk of missing some coins with wrapping machine damage or counting wheel damage. Thanks for posting this I2, as it may help others from missing this damage.
Jim
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I don't like that type of damage at all.
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They did not have coin wrapping machines in the 1800's, don't try to get one over on me, Insider2!
The coins you have seen it on were wrapped in the last 50 years, most likely.
bob
The US Mint did not use automatic counting machines until the 1930s.
Why would these marks appear on type coins dating in the 1800's? I've seen half dimes and even Trimes as this. Coins were not counted by machines back then - or wrapped. Bottom line, I don't really care what caused these marks. I posting what "we" called them in the 70's and I never bothered to ask the opinion of anyone working at the mint.
This has become interesting. I like the coin wrapper for moderns. What about the oldies? What about the real oldies?
Thanks for posting this as I will be on the look-out for this type of damage in the future.
Whole coin photos please (and please remove that gold Instagram type filter).
Is this a "details" coin or does it just get netted down some?
Collector, occasional seller
This is not a wheelmark or counting wheel damage.
It is coin wrapper damage, as you later call it.
CN eBay
All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!
It is post mint damage. It should go into a "detailed" slab. Unfortunately, this type of damage may be missed. On a beautiful MS coin as this, some may just "net" its grade. I don't agree with this folly. The coin initially looked like a toned Uncirculated specimen in the 64 to 65 range. How low are you going to net grade it to reflect its value?
I have missed this type of damage on one coin from each of the last 3 batches of coins I have sent in. Two I found, after I got them back from the grading company. The other, Im still trying to figure out where the marks are hidden!
I agree that this should be in a detail holder, I guess my question is at what point does it become "too much"? Maybe if the wrapping machine had only hit one device? Two?
Collector, occasional seller
Post an image!
@ChrisH821 said: "I agree that this should be in a detail holder, I guess my question is at what point does it become "too much"? Maybe if the wrapping machine had only hit one device? Two?"
I'm a very-strict, old school commercial grader. My peers humor me. This is damage. If a TPGS finalizer, coin dealer, or coin collector wishes to ignore it, that's a personal or business decision. My job is simply to find it and point it out.
I just returned a raw one on an otherwise GEM bu SLQ that had miss liberty's face polished up very pretty. I've seen another that was pretty severe. (I've also seen a pretty bad one in a straight graded holder!)
These must have been several horsepower motors attached to those machines, whatever they are called.
I have seen so many cases of counting machine damage both raw and in holders
My type of coins tend to get stuck in machines
I got this in pocket change yesterday. Neat little die chips on the obverse in the hair and over the eye.