Do a web search on that address...the names may slightly change, but you will see a lot of similarity. You will also see there are multiple posts about it, including scam warnings.
Here's another link to read, regarding issues with this address.
I think someone may have posted a link to something earlier....I recalled this address because someone on the forums had posted a similar issue and it was the address in question in the OP....
From one of the posts in the above link...see if it sounds familiar:
"Hello!I've recently bought iPhone 6s from you and i am very happy about it. I am writing you to inform that i am moving to my cousin's house, since he had injured in crash and i have to take care of him for several weeks and that's why i need to change shipping address. sorry for bothering and thank you in advance!Here is shipping address where you have to send the item: Giorgi Sikharulidze2213 olegtown rd unit bP50096Newark, DE 19711"
And another:
"I just bought Johnson Matthey 100 oz Silver Bar from you I hope all is great with that item.. p.s I wanna change shipping address coz my dad got sick and I have to move out of town to hospital to take care, sorry for bothering and here is the shipping u have to send it:
First Name: PON-51555 Temur
Last Name: Atskarunashvili
Address: 2213 ogletown rd unit B
Address 2: P-PON 51555
City: Newark
State/Province: DE
Zip/Postal Code: 19711"
Do not send your coin! A redirected mailing address is a classic fraud move. It's worked on victims for decades. Take a deep breath and cancel the transaction. You owe this anonymous person nothing. Peace Roy
@Namvet69 said:
Do not send your coin! A redirected mailing address is a classic fraud move. It's worked on victims for decades. Take a deep breath and cancel the transaction. You owe this anonymous person nothing. Peace Roy
@SmithAuctionCo said:
Is this the Twilight Zone? A lot of people chiming in without reading all of the information.
Listen to @U1chicago - they are seeing the situation clearly.
The real buyer did not contact @Paradisefound asking for an address change. A scammer did from a different account. The scammer’s email/message has nothing to do with the original sale (other than mentioning the item) and would just be ignored by most experienced sellers - who would hopefully be able to notice that the real buyer didn’t send the message.
Why are so many saying to cancel the sale when the real buyer did not contact the seller at all? By that logic, you're allowing a random person the power to cancel legit transactions just because they message a seller about a sold item that they did not win. Makes ZERO sense!
If I were @Paradisefound, I would just go through eBay - click "print shipping label" on the eBay item's page and fully insure the package. Just do everything via eBay and PayPal's rules for sellers, and you'll be fine. If you are still concerned, call eBay (not PayPal, as they will not be able to access your eBay messages) and explain to them your concerns. They will advise you on what to do in order to cover yourself as a seller.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
If this is the case, call Paypal and ebay to advise you.
If one wants, they can call eBay.
What kind of advice you’ll get, I don’t know.
The case is pretty simple from what can be seen.
Real buyer with confirmed address buys item.
Scammer sees a bunch of expensive items sold and messages all those sellers to try and steal the items.
-Scammer is a known entity who multiple sellers have seen before (me, another poster on this forum, other sellers on eBay threads)
Ignore the scammer and only deal with the real buyer
As long as the money is in your PayPal account and the buyer is confirmed via eBay/PayPal, then it’s no different than a regular sale
How long have you been selling on eBay and at what kind of volume .
I think we have read the facts very clearly .
I err on the side of caution when it comes to this kind of money .
PF can cancel the order based on the scroll down option of address problems .
She will not pay any final value fees .
There is alaways the option of calling EBay and PaYpal and discussing the situation, which I guarantee will result in many wasted hours of aggravating phone time
PF doesn’t seem to need the money that bad, so cancel the sale and avoid more aggravation and possibe time and money .
Like I said before, let’s say I bought a coin from you and paid with a confirmed PayPal address. Then some scammer unrelated to me messages the seller and tries to trick them. How am I to blame? If the sale is canceled, I lose out on the bonus bucks and will likely not repurchase the item.
It’s also similar to the people that see a better variety sell and then message the seller to try and offer to buy it. In both cases, the seller should ignore the unrelated messages and only deal with the real buyer.
Now if a person bought an item and then used that same account to send a message to change the address, that is fishy and should likely result in a cancellation.
Under your scenario scammer is contacting sellers after they have made the sale to another ebay buyer who paid using the actual buyer's valid papyal account. Very plausible, but seller should notice that message to change address is coming from a different ebay user ID. If it's coming from the same ebay user ID then the buyer and the scammer are the same. Paypal details page does not provide a seller or a buyer with the other party's actual email address (PP account ID) which means all messages would have to come through ebay. Seller (OP) would know if the message asking for change of address came from some one other than the buyer (ebay ID) or email using her paypal email address.
Paradise, please enlighten us:
How did the scammer contact you to request the change of address?
If via ebay message was it an ID with (0) feedback? Was it the same ebay ID as the buyer?
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@SmithAuctionCo said:
Is this the Twilight Zone? A lot of people chiming in without reading all of the information.
Listen to @U1chicago - they are seeing the situation clearly.
The real buyer did not contact @Paradisefound asking for an address change. A scammer did from a different account. The scammer’s email/message has nothing to do with the original sale (other than mentioning the item) and would just be ignored by most experienced sellers - who would hopefully be able to notice that the real buyer didn’t send the message.
Why are so many saying to cancel the sale when the real buyer did not contact the seller at all? By that logic, you're allowing a random person the power to cancel legit transactions just because they message a seller about a sold item that they did not win. Makes ZERO sense!
If I were @Paradisefound, I would just go through eBay - click "print shipping label" on the eBay item's page and fully insure the package. Just do everything via eBay and PayPal's rules for sellers, and you'll be fine. If you are still concerned, call eBay (not PayPal, as they will not be able to access your eBay messages) and explain to them your concerns. They will advise you on what to do in order to cover yourself as a seller.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
If this is the case, call Paypal and ebay to advise you.
If one wants, they can call eBay.
What kind of advice you’ll get, I don’t know.
The case is pretty simple from what can be seen.
Real buyer with confirmed address buys item.
Scammer sees a bunch of expensive items sold and messages all those sellers to try and steal the items.
-Scammer is a known entity who multiple sellers have seen before (me, another poster on this forum, other sellers on eBay threads)
Ignore the scammer and only deal with the real buyer
As long as the money is in your PayPal account and the buyer is confirmed via eBay/PayPal, then it’s no different than a regular sale
How long have you been selling on eBay and at what kind of volume .
I think we have read the facts very clearly .
I err on the side of caution when it comes to this kind of money .
PF can cancel the order based on the scroll down option of address problems .
She will not pay any final value fees .
There is alaways the option of calling EBay and PaYpal and discussing the situation, which I guarantee will result in many wasted hours of aggravating phone time
PF doesn’t seem to need the money that bad, so cancel the sale and avoid more aggravation and possibe time and money .
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You have to read all the facts. Canceling the sale should not be the automatic decision.
All that will do is:
-fault the real buyer-who most likely had nothing to do with the situation
-open one up to negative feedback (there is no address issue as the real buyer never asked for a change of address)
-allow the scammer to win since he caused a lost sale
As long as the real buyer has a confirmed address according to eBay/PayPal this is no different than a regular sale (with all the same risks and protections).
I’ve experienced this same exact case and so has another forum member.
It’s been shown that the person sending the messages is a known scammer.
The person who bought the coin most likely is a legitimate buyer that is not connected to the scammer.
We even had a person on this forum who was a legitimate buyer but had this same scammer try to steal the coin (the seller-also on this forum-contacted the buyer and everything was resolved).
Reports (from scamming links) that I have read on this culprit indicate that he uses a (0) feedback ebay account to make contact with the actual seller. Is this the case of the incidences you mention? The legit seller should notice the ebay user ID requesting the change of address is not the same as the actual buyer.
If the ebay ID is the same then the scammer is setting up the bogus ebay account to both make the purchase and also make the request for change of address. This scammer could be creating hundreds of bogus ebay accounts for this purpose which would explain his MO of numerous (0) feedback ebay accounts being used to request the change of address.
My initial misunderstanding of the events is based on the OPs thread title: "Should I ship the Saint to eBay buyer who changed address right after the sales took place?" I took this to mean the actual buyer (ebay ID) requested the change of address. Hopefully she will clarify.
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@SmithAuctionCo said:
Is this the Twilight Zone? A lot of people chiming in without reading all of the information.
Listen to @U1chicago - they are seeing the situation clearly.
The real buyer did not contact @Paradisefound asking for an address change. A scammer did from a different account. The scammer’s email/message has nothing to do with the original sale (other than mentioning the item) and would just be ignored by most experienced sellers - who would hopefully be able to notice that the real buyer didn’t send the message.
Why are so many saying to cancel the sale when the real buyer did not contact the seller at all? By that logic, you're allowing a random person the power to cancel legit transactions just because they message a seller about a sold item that they did not win. Makes ZERO sense!
If I were @Paradisefound, I would just go through eBay - click "print shipping label" on the eBay item's page and fully insure the package. Just do everything via eBay and PayPal's rules for sellers, and you'll be fine. If you are still concerned, call eBay (not PayPal, as they will not be able to access your eBay messages) and explain to them your concerns. They will advise you on what to do in order to cover yourself as a seller.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
If this is the case, call Paypal and ebay to advise you.
If one wants, they can call eBay.
What kind of advice you’ll get, I don’t know.
The case is pretty simple from what can be seen.
Real buyer with confirmed address buys item.
Scammer sees a bunch of expensive items sold and messages all those sellers to try and steal the items.
-Scammer is a known entity who multiple sellers have seen before (me, another poster on this forum, other sellers on eBay threads)
Ignore the scammer and only deal with the real buyer
As long as the money is in your PayPal account and the buyer is confirmed via eBay/PayPal, then it’s no different than a regular sale
How long have you been selling on eBay and at what kind of volume .
I think we have read the facts very clearly .
I err on the side of caution when it comes to this kind of money .
PF can cancel the order based on the scroll down option of address problems .
She will not pay any final value fees .
There is alaways the option of calling EBay and PaYpal and discussing the situation, which I guarantee will result in many wasted hours of aggravating phone time
PF doesn’t seem to need the money that bad, so cancel the sale and avoid more aggravation and possibe time and money .
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We have been on eBay since 1998 and have sold many thousands of items on there. Many $1,000 plus items. You can look us up under eBay user: smithauctionco and see our feedback / recent sales.
I can promise you that we would never cancel a transaction due to a eBay user not affiliated with the transaction contacting us about an item after it sells.
Simply pointing out that whoever sent the message to @Paradisefound had nothing to do with the transaction according to what was posted. And therefore, their input should have no bearing on the transaction.
It’s been shown that the person sending the messages is a known scammer.
The person who bought the coin most likely is a legitimate buyer that is not connected to the scammer.
We even had a person on this forum who was a legitimate buyer but had this same scammer try to steal the coin (the seller-also on this forum-contacted the buyer and everything was resolved).
Reports (from scamming links) that I have read on this culprit indicate is that he uses a (0) feedback ebay account to make contact with the actual seller. Is this the case of the incidences you mention? The legit seller should notice the ebay user ID requesting the change of address is not the same as the actual buyer.
When this happened to me, that was exactly it.
The real buyer had a high feedback rating. The scammer had 0.
I contacted the real buyer and he confirmed that he never asked to change the address. I mailed it to the real buyer (who showed up as eligible for seller protection) and everything went smoothly.
Good thing PP keeps our account ID (email addresses) hidden from others or this could really get ugly.
Lesson learned: Confirm that messages from a buyer are from the same ebay account (ID) that he used to make the purchase. If not, string him along and mail him something that will smell badly when he opens it. I'll put this lesson right next to the one that says "do not log into an account from an email link."
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If one wants, they can call eBay.
What kind of advice you’ll get, I don’t know.
The case is pretty simple from what can be seen.
Real buyer with confirmed address buys item.
Scammer sees a bunch of expensive items sold and messages all those sellers to try and steal the items.
-Scammer is a known entity who multiple sellers have seen before (me, another poster on this forum, other sellers on eBay threads)
Ignore the scammer and only deal with the real buyer
As long as the money is in your PayPal account and the buyer is confirmed via eBay/PayPal, then it’s no different than a regular sale
How long have you been selling on eBay and at what kind of volume .
I think we have read the facts very clearly .
I err on the side of caution when it comes to this kind of money .
PF can cancel the order based on the scroll down option of address problems .
She will not pay any final value fees .
There is alaways the option of calling EBay and PaYpal and discussing the situation, which I guarantee will result in many wasted hours of aggravating phone time
PF doesn’t seem to need the money that bad, so cancel the sale and avoid more aggravation and possibe time and money .
So many experts on Internet forums 🥴🤯
For the sake of all the Gods and devils, read the rest of the thread. There is NO REASON to cancel the transaction as the buyer himself did not do anything except buy the coin and pay for it.
I disagree. Everyone read something. If the rest of the story were told in the initial post this thread would only be one page.
Yes, but no one reads the entire thread so we have 15 people here all chiming in with the same faulty advice because they didn't read the rest of the thread.
I disagree. Everyone read something. If the rest of the story were told in the initial post this thread would only be one page.
Yes, but no one reads the entire thread so we have 15 people here all chiming in with the same faulty advice because they didn't read the rest of the thread.
Like many threads that ask a question, replies will often deal directly and only with the question, especially when there are pages of replies. Sorta like a "Guess the grade" where I don't want to know everyone else's reply before I offer mine. The OP of threads such as this should keep the OP updated with additional info as the thread progresses. If at some point the OP of this thread clarifies in the OP that the buyer ebay ID and the ebay ID of the person requesting the change of address are not the same it will (and could have) provided proper direction of the discussion.
Most of us assumed that "Should I ship the Saint to eBay buyer who changed address right after the sales took place?" meant that the buyer and scammer contacted the seller using the same ebay ID. Logical assumption.
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I disagree. Everyone read something. If the rest of the story were told in the initial post this thread would only be one page.
Yes, but no one reads the entire thread so we have 15 people here all chiming in with the same faulty advice because they didn't read the rest of the thread.
Like many threads that ask a question, replies will often deal directly and only with the question, especially when there are pages of replies. Sorta like a "Guess the grade" where I don't want to know everyone else's reply before I offer mine. The OP of threads such as this should keep the OP updated with additional info as the thread progresses. If at some point the OP of this thread clarifies in the OP that the buyer ebay ID and the ebay ID of the person requesting the change of address are not the same it will (and could have) provided proper direction of the discussion.
Most of us assumed that "Should I ship the Saint to eBay buyer who changed address right after the sales took place?" meant that the buyer and scammer contacted the seller using the same ebay ID. Logical assumption.
I don't disagree. On the other hand, unlike a GTG where you don't want to bias your response, in this case you DO want to bias your response with the added information.
Based on some of the "complaint" links posted in this thread this scammer has scammed a lot of ebay sellers with this MO, all involving the same forwarding address.
If the OP were to bring this to ebay's attention and inform ebay that there have been multiple instances of this request for a change of address to this specific address ebay just might have a way of preventing this specific address from being included in any future ebay messages. After all, their algorithm prevents phone numbers and email addresses from being messaged.
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I really don't know ..... the eBay subject header on the upcoming message was very confusing to me first.
"Message from buyers" got me assumed it was the legal buyer since it came almost immediately and Thanks to all eBay experts here it is clear as can be for me now.
@derryb said:
P, thanks for the clarification in the OP. Was the scammer using one of his typical (0) feedback account to message you?
I disagree. Everyone read something. If the rest of the story were told in the initial post this thread would only be one page.
Yes, but no one reads the entire thread so we have 15 people here all chiming in with the same faulty advice because they didn't read the rest of the thread.
Like many threads that ask a question, replies will often deal directly and only with the question, especially when there are pages of replies. Sorta like a "Guess the grade" where I don't want to know everyone else's reply before I offer mine. The OP of threads such as this should keep the OP updated with additional info as the thread progresses. If at some point the OP of this thread clarifies in the OP that the buyer ebay ID and the ebay ID of the person requesting the change of address are not the same it will (and could have) provided proper direction of the discussion.
Most of us assumed that "Should I ship the Saint to eBay buyer who changed address right after the sales took place?" meant that the buyer and scammer contacted the seller using the same ebay ID. Logical assumption.
I don't disagree. On the other hand, unlike a GTG where you don't want to bias your response, in this case you DO want to bias your response with the added information.
But a fella can only read so much before he has his opinion. LOL
As I said earlier a lot of the opinions offered were based on not knowing that two different ebay ID were being used. While some of the replies are from those who correctly assumed this, I don't believe the OP confirmed it until she just edited the OP to clarify that yes, two different ebay IDs were involved.
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You could ask Northeast Num. how they handle these types of scams they get a lot more than most; if I recall right they like to play games with them telling them the valuable coin is on its way, etc..
Big gold coins are common scam targets because they are easily fenced especially nice ones like yours. That's the type of thing I had targeted in the past; different address, some type of family or other excuse. What's the chance that in 365 days in a year a father suddenly fell ill in a way that would require a son to do something special involving a change of address? One in a hundred? Very unlikely.
Not sure what you are selling but ebay is pretty expensive; I would call around on PQ stuff to major buyers for offers and sav e the hassles. If it is cac, I would ask them for an offer.
No. Unless you know them. If the address shipped does not match the address sold you can get stuck with no eBay coverage on return. If they say they dident get your toast
It was partly my fault too ..... keeping the thread un-attended AKA out fishing BUT it's ALL good advice .... each and everyone of you is trying to prevent the inevitable
@derryb said:
Another lesson for all of us: Keep an OP up to date with the latest info as the discussion progresses and questions to the OP get answered.
@Paradisefound said:
It was partly my fault too ..... keeping the thread un-attended AKA out fishing BUT it's ALL good advice .... each and everyone of you is trying to prevent the inevitable
@derryb said:
Another lesson for all of us: Keep an OP up to date with the latest info as the discussion progresses and questions to the OP get answered.
But the more important question is did you catch anything?
@Paradisefound said:
It was partly my fault too ..... keeping the thread un-attended AKA out fishing BUT it's ALL good advice .... each and everyone of you is trying to prevent the inevitable
@derryb said:
Another lesson for all of us: Keep an OP up to date with the latest info as the discussion progresses and questions to the OP get answered.
But the more important question is did you catch anything?
Jm i believe in the original post it was that the "buyer" changed address after the sale and wanted item shipped to different address .
Many of the guys are going by the original post from this morning . I believe original post has since been changed .
With the new info it is a different situation . I would still look into the actual buyers recent ebay activity and try to get in contact with original buyer to explain concerns and definitely contact PayPal and ask if ok to ship to actual buyer .
Could be legit sale and it is just a a new scam by crooks following and sending messages to sellers of expensive items to see if they can run their con ?
To be safe I would not ship that coin unless 100% assured by PayPal it was ok to ship it to the original buyer .
BTW- I think i heard of a similar ebay scam a few months ago on a vintage baseball card forum .
That is all true. But at the time I wrote this, the OP had not changed the thread and my complaint was that people DO NOT READ THE OTHER POSTS. You end up with repetitive responses which, in this case, were erroneous because they had failed to read any of the clarifications.
@jmlanzaf said:
But at the time I wrote this, the OP had not changed the thread and my complaint was that people DO NOT READ THE OTHER POSTS. You end up with repetitive responses which, in this case, were erroneous because they had failed to read any of the clarifications.
This is why an OP should keep the OP up to date as questions to him/her get answered. Much better than reading 3 pages of details and trying to piece together the details.
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@jmlanzaf said:
But at the time I wrote this, the OP had not changed the thread and my complaint was that people DO NOT READ THE OTHER POSTS. You end up with repetitive responses which, in this case, were erroneous because they had failed to read any of the clarifications.
This is why an OP should keep the OP up to date as questions to him/her get answered. Much better than reading 3 pages of details and trying to piece together the details.
Or maybe would-be posters should read the whole thread before commenting. In this case, there comments were incorrect. In other cases, even if they were correct, they risk being redundant if 20 other people have already said the same thing.
Or maybe would-be posters should read the whole thread before commenting. In this case, there comments were incorrect. In other cases, even if they were correct, they risk being redundant if 20 other people have already said the same thing.
Ebay has told me numerous times if a buyer emails you with a change of address (not the buyer's Paypal address) the guarantee is still OK as the new address has been confirmed in an email and Ebay will honor it.
Call them to verify this though.
"Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
Take a small NON FLAT RATE box, put in some scrap iron or steel, about 15 pounds, put a single stamp on it, drop it at the post office with the bogus address as both to and from. They will get a postage due tag, and hopefully pony up some real money for garbage.
Glad every thing worked out Paradise now is there a Internet Police to turn the impersonator in for a more Investigations. Probably somebody over in Eastern Europe out of touch. I mean who in their right mind would go there right?
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The address posted shows it as a scam.
Do a web search on that address...the names may slightly change, but you will see a lot of similarity. You will also see there are multiple posts about it, including scam warnings.
Here is that address: https://loopnet.com/Listing/19285789/2213-Ogletown-Road-Newark-DE/
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Here's another link to read, regarding issues with this address.
I think someone may have posted a link to something earlier....I recalled this address because someone on the forums had posted a similar issue and it was the address in question in the OP....
https://badbuyerlist.org/buyer/96737b38290ec892eccb8bd1
From one of the posts in the above link...see if it sounds familiar:
"Hello!I've recently bought iPhone 6s from you and i am very happy about it. I am writing you to inform that i am moving to my cousin's house, since he had injured in crash and i have to take care of him for several weeks and that's why i need to change shipping address. sorry for bothering and thank you in advance!Here is shipping address where you have to send the item: Giorgi Sikharulidze2213 olegtown rd unit bP50096Newark, DE 19711"
And another:
"I just bought Johnson Matthey 100 oz Silver Bar from you I hope all is great with that item.. p.s I wanna change shipping address coz my dad got sick and I have to move out of town to hospital to take care, sorry for bothering and here is the shipping u have to send it:
First Name: PON-51555 Temur
Last Name: Atskarunashvili
Address: 2213 ogletown rd unit B
Address 2: P-PON 51555
City: Newark
State/Province: DE
Zip/Postal Code: 19711"
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I wonder if eBay would at least yank the scammers ID (a temporary solution at best).
PF should tell the scammer she sent it as requested and let the vermin think he is getting free gold.
You may want to send the scammer a chocolate coin with the gold foil wrapping.
You may want to send the scammer a chocolate coin with the gold foil wrapping.
I can think of something else that is the same color as chocolate to fill a box with and send to the scammer. Do any of your neighbors have a big dog?
No one reads. Smh
I don't think you'll be covered if you send it to anything but a PayPal verified address.
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Bob
Do not send your coin! A redirected mailing address is a classic fraud move. It's worked on victims for decades. Take a deep breath and cancel the transaction. You owe this anonymous person nothing. Peace Roy
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Please read the rest of the thread
And a big washer for weight.
How long have you been selling on eBay and at what kind of volume .
I think we have read the facts very clearly .
I err on the side of caution when it comes to this kind of money .
PF can cancel the order based on the scroll down option of address problems .
She will not pay any final value fees .
There is alaways the option of calling EBay and PaYpal and discussing the situation, which I guarantee will result in many wasted hours of aggravating phone time
PF doesn’t seem to need the money that bad, so cancel the sale and avoid more aggravation and possibe time and money .
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Under your scenario scammer is contacting sellers after they have made the sale to another ebay buyer who paid using the actual buyer's valid papyal account. Very plausible, but seller should notice that message to change address is coming from a different ebay user ID. If it's coming from the same ebay user ID then the buyer and the scammer are the same. Paypal details page does not provide a seller or a buyer with the other party's actual email address (PP account ID) which means all messages would have to come through ebay. Seller (OP) would know if the message asking for change of address came from some one other than the buyer (ebay ID) or email using her paypal email address.
Paradise, please enlighten us:
How did the scammer contact you to request the change of address?
If via ebay message was it an ID with (0) feedback? Was it the same ebay ID as the buyer?
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You have to read all the facts. Canceling the sale should not be the automatic decision.
All that will do is:
-fault the real buyer-who most likely had nothing to do with the situation
-open one up to negative feedback (there is no address issue as the real buyer never asked for a change of address)
-allow the scammer to win since he caused a lost sale
As long as the real buyer has a confirmed address according to eBay/PayPal this is no different than a regular sale (with all the same risks and protections).
I’ve experienced this same exact case and so has another forum member.
When I asked if it was the same person on the sold items page and in the message, @Paradisefound said “not the same”
@derryb
Reports (from scamming links) that I have read on this culprit indicate that he uses a (0) feedback ebay account to make contact with the actual seller. Is this the case of the incidences you mention? The legit seller should notice the ebay user ID requesting the change of address is not the same as the actual buyer.
If the ebay ID is the same then the scammer is setting up the bogus ebay account to both make the purchase and also make the request for change of address. This scammer could be creating hundreds of bogus ebay accounts for this purpose which would explain his MO of numerous (0) feedback ebay accounts being used to request the change of address.
My initial misunderstanding of the events is based on the OPs thread title: "Should I ship the Saint to eBay buyer who changed address right after the sales took place?" I took this to mean the actual buyer (ebay ID) requested the change of address. Hopefully she will clarify.
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We have been on eBay since 1998 and have sold many thousands of items on there. Many $1,000 plus items. You can look us up under eBay user: smithauctionco and see our feedback / recent sales.
I can promise you that we would never cancel a transaction due to a eBay user not affiliated with the transaction contacting us about an item after it sells.
Simply pointing out that whoever sent the message to @Paradisefound had nothing to do with the transaction according to what was posted. And therefore, their input should have no bearing on the transaction.
When this happened to me, that was exactly it.
The real buyer had a high feedback rating. The scammer had 0.
I contacted the real buyer and he confirmed that he never asked to change the address. I mailed it to the real buyer (who showed up as eligible for seller protection) and everything went smoothly.
I disagree. Everyone read something. If the rest of the story were told in the initial post this thread would only be one page.
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Good thing PP keeps our account ID (email addresses) hidden from others or this could really get ugly.
Lesson learned: Confirm that messages from a buyer are from the same ebay account (ID) that he used to make the purchase. If not, string him along and mail him something that will smell badly when he opens it. I'll put this lesson right next to the one that says "do not log into an account from an email link."
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For the sake of all the Gods and devils, read the rest of the thread. There is NO REASON to cancel the transaction as the buyer himself did not do anything except buy the coin and pay for it.
Yes, but no one reads the entire thread so we have 15 people here all chiming in with the same faulty advice because they didn't read the rest of the thread.
OMG - read the freakin thread and then offer some useful advice. The title of the post should be edited. Please help @Paradisefound
Like many threads that ask a question, replies will often deal directly and only with the question, especially when there are pages of replies. Sorta like a "Guess the grade" where I don't want to know everyone else's reply before I offer mine. The OP of threads such as this should keep the OP updated with additional info as the thread progresses. If at some point the OP of this thread clarifies in the OP that the buyer ebay ID and the ebay ID of the person requesting the change of address are not the same it will (and could have) provided proper direction of the discussion.
Most of us assumed that "Should I ship the Saint to eBay buyer who changed address right after the sales took place?" meant that the buyer and scammer contacted the seller using the same ebay ID. Logical assumption.
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I don't disagree. On the other hand, unlike a GTG where you don't want to bias your response, in this case you DO want to bias your response with the added information.
Based on some of the "complaint" links posted in this thread this scammer has scammed a lot of ebay sellers with this MO, all involving the same forwarding address.
If the OP were to bring this to ebay's attention and inform ebay that there have been multiple instances of this request for a change of address to this specific address ebay just might have a way of preventing this specific address from being included in any future ebay messages. After all, their algorithm prevents phone numbers and email addresses from being messaged.
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I just got home a little while ago ...... Thank you ALL for your advise
P, thanks for the clarification in the OP. Was the ebay ID that requested the change of address the scammer's typical (0) feedback ID?
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I really don't know ..... the eBay subject header on the upcoming message was very confusing to me first.
"Message from buyers" got me assumed it was the legal buyer since it came almost immediately and Thanks to all eBay experts here it is clear as can be for me now.
But a fella can only read so much before he has his opinion. LOL
As I said earlier a lot of the opinions offered were based on not knowing that two different ebay ID were being used. While some of the replies are from those who correctly assumed this, I don't believe the OP confirmed it until she just edited the OP to clarify that yes, two different ebay IDs were involved.
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You could ask Northeast Num. how they handle these types of scams they get a lot more than most; if I recall right they like to play games with them telling them the valuable coin is on its way, etc..
Big gold coins are common scam targets because they are easily fenced especially nice ones like yours. That's the type of thing I had targeted in the past; different address, some type of family or other excuse. What's the chance that in 365 days in a year a father suddenly fell ill in a way that would require a son to do something special involving a change of address? One in a hundred? Very unlikely.
Not sure what you are selling but ebay is pretty expensive; I would call around on PQ stuff to major buyers for offers and sav e the hassles. If it is cac, I would ask them for an offer.
No. Unless you know them. If the address shipped does not match the address sold you can get stuck with no eBay coverage on return. If they say they dident get your toast
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Another lesson for all of us: Keep an OP up to date with the latest info as the discussion progresses and questions to the OP get answered.
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Just to add with banks closed Monday more fraud is committed around holiday weekend because by the time you find out it’s too late to fix it.
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It was partly my fault too ..... keeping the thread un-attended AKA out fishing BUT it's ALL good advice .... each and everyone of you is trying to prevent the inevitable
I find this to be quite alarming since he was not the buyer.
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But the more important question is did you catch anything?
if you did not sell to wamto53, then it is a scam
since a BIN. definitely a scammer - call original buyer or just send with eBay shipping to registered address.
maybe a Hawaiian seashell or rock and with black feltpen do a drawing of the lady
That was funny!
@Paradisefound you could try calling eBay and ask them for advice from one of there costumer services people. 👍
Maybe you can mention to eBay who your seller is 👍
That is all true. But at the time I wrote this, the OP had not changed the thread and my complaint was that people DO NOT READ THE OTHER POSTS. You end up with repetitive responses which, in this case, were erroneous because they had failed to read any of the clarifications.
This is why an OP should keep the OP up to date as questions to him/her get answered. Much better than reading 3 pages of details and trying to piece together the details.
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Or maybe would-be posters should read the whole thread before commenting. In this case, there comments were incorrect. In other cases, even if they were correct, they risk being redundant if 20 other people have already said the same thing.
Read this one. There will be a test.
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Ebay has told me numerous times if a buyer emails you with a change of address (not the buyer's Paypal address) the guarantee is still OK as the new address has been confirmed in an email and Ebay will honor it.
Call them to verify this though.
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Take a small NON FLAT RATE box, put in some scrap iron or steel, about 15 pounds, put a single stamp on it, drop it at the post office with the bogus address as both to and from. They will get a postage due tag, and hopefully pony up some real money for garbage.
Glad every thing worked out Paradise now is there a Internet Police to turn the impersonator in for a more Investigations. Probably somebody over in Eastern Europe out of touch. I mean who in their right mind would go there right?