Tell him you refunded his payment due to a change you needed to make on your paypal account. Then ask him to resend payment to your "new account". Bet you never hear from him again.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
If it’s a different person. Wait until the real buyer gets back to you and ship to their confirmed address when they let you know they in fact purchased it.
there was an underbidder and you could refund/cancel this sale and sell to the underbidder. Problem solved. However, before I refunded I would make a call to make sure the PP payment was real and the funds are truly there. I rather doubt they are.
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@AUandAG said:
there was an underbidder and you could refund/cancel this sale and sell to the underbidder. Problem solved. However, before I refunded I would make a call to make sure the PP payment was real and the funds are truly there. I rather doubt they are.
bob
Bob - the person who bought the coin is not the person who contacted her asking for a change of address as I understand it. It’s someone fishing for a free coin.
@AUandAG said:
there was an underbidder and you could refund/cancel this sale and sell to the underbidder. Problem solved. However, before I refunded I would make a call to make sure the PP payment was real and the funds are truly there. I rather doubt they are.
bob
Bob - the person who bought the coin is not the person who contacted her asking for a change of address as I understand it. It’s someone fishing for a free coin.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
Like I said before, let’s say I bought a coin from you and paid with a confirmed PayPal address. Then some scammer unrelated to me messages the seller and tries to trick them. How am I to blame? If the sale is canceled, I lose out on the bonus bucks and will likely not repurchase the item.
It’s also similar to the people that see a better variety sell and then message the seller to try and offer to buy it. In both cases, the seller should ignore the unrelated messages and only deal with the real buyer.
Now if a person bought an item and then used that same account to send a message to change the address, that is fishy and should likely result in a cancellation.
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@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
If this is the case, call Paypal and ebay to advise you.
@U1chicago said: This would penalize the real buyer.
Too bad, soo sad! Better the real buyer than me.
Like I mentioned, there are steps to take-like contacting the real buyer first.
A knowledgeable scammer wouldn’t pull something this basic.
You could cancel the sale, lose a real buyer, and then relist only to run into a smarter scammer (like one who won’t send a message but just pull an item not as described or return an empty box scam).
As long as the real buyer confirms they bought it and PayPal/eBay says their info is confirmed (eligible for seller protection), this would be no different than any other sale.
The scammer is just extra noise that the seller should block/report/ignore.
sorry to hear about yout sick father. It seems irresponsible to fiddle with coins while your dad is dying , shame on you , I am cancelling the sale so you won't go straight to hell.
If in fact you are about to sacrifice your dad to the volcano god and you require the coin as part of an ancient ritual try substituting a cheap chinese fake instead. Since the ritual consumes the coin why waste real gold you dummy.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
If this is the case, call Paypal and ebay to advise you.
If one wants, they can call eBay.
What kind of advice you’ll get, I don’t know.
The case is pretty simple from what can be seen.
Real buyer with confirmed address buys item.
Scammer sees a bunch of expensive items sold and messages all those sellers to try and steal the items.
-Scammer is a known entity who multiple sellers have seen before (me, another poster on this forum, other sellers on eBay threads)
Ignore the scammer and only deal with the real buyer
As long as the money is in your PayPal account and the buyer is confirmed via eBay/PayPal, then it’s no different than a regular sale
@TwoSides2aCoin said:
Cancel the transaction . Tell buyer once he moves and does a change of address ( being confirmed) you will consummate the deal. I wouldn't trust anyone who decides to take an alternate route or who would ask such. Been there. Done that. Lost my assets.
Again I wouldn’t cancel the transaction until the real buyer replies.
This could have been you or me purchasing a coin we wanted for our collection. Before the seller printed the label, a scammer (with a completely different eBay ID) sent the seller a message trying to steal the item. I would like for the seller to contact me and ask first before canceling. The fact that two separate accounts are involved suggests the one sending the message is the scammer and the original buyer has nothing to do with any of this (besides buying a coin they wanted).
I just went by what the OP said:
" ...sold my duplicate $20 Saint Gaudens and the buyer immediately requested to ship it to different address due to "father being sick"...."
It looks like you have a lot of good advice here. But honestly I think it sounds like you can lose if you do that. Like others have suggested, call eBay and tell them the situation. I’m more than sure they will tell you not to send it anywhere but the address that is shown on the sale. No way would I send it anywhere else.
JMO
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@Paradisefound said:
How could the subject line said this?
Contact ebay and stay on them until wamto53 is NARU'd. It's obviously an account that contacts sellers after auctions to try to get them to ship to them instead of the buyer.
Edited: I had missed the post from PF that the eBay ID of the buyer was NOT the same ID as the ID of the one who sent the message asking to redirect the shipment. U1C had it correct - total scam.
Wouldn't hurt to share the most likely (0) feedback ebay account with us, if not please PM it to me. Buyer is famous for setting up new ebay accounts to conduct this scam.
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@TwoSides2aCoin said:
Cancel the transaction . Tell buyer once he moves and does a change of address ( being confirmed) you will consummate the deal. I wouldn't trust anyone who decides to take an alternate route or who would ask such. Been there. Done that. Lost my assets.
Again I wouldn’t cancel the transaction until the real buyer replies.
This could have been you or me purchasing a coin we wanted for our collection. Before the seller printed the label, a scammer (with a completely different eBay ID) sent the seller a message trying to steal the item. I would like for the seller to contact me and ask first before canceling. The fact that two separate accounts are involved suggests the one sending the message is the scammer and the original buyer has nothing to do with any of this (besides buying a coin they wanted).
I just went by what the OP said:
" ...sold my duplicate $20 Saint Gaudens and the buyer immediately requested to ship it to different address due to "father being sick"...."
From later posts we did see that the “buyer” who sent the message wasn’t the same person (ID) as the one that did buy the coin.
As far as I can tell, nobody has been hacked. There is just a scammer that is sending messages and hoping to steal items.
This guy is famous for this trick, normally uses a (0) feeback ebay account to make the purchase. That's your first clue.
In the description of all my high dollar items I include: "We do not ship to ebay buyers with less than 5 positive feedbacks as a buyer. If you have less than the required 5 feedbacks we will cancel the sale and refund your money, but only after you go through the hassle and delay of filing a claim. And yes, we will wait until the last possible day to make the refund."
OP should contact ebay and explain the request for change of address in order to have sale cancelled by ebay to avoid final valuation fees. Ebay can also investigate the ebay account used to make the purchase.
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@markelman1125 said:
Send it to the address that is listed on PayPal it will be less confusing 👍
It's already been shown earlier in the thread the buyer making the request for a change in address is notorious for scamming others in this manner. Sending it to the PP address on record will not get it to a valid buyer and only cause further hassle. OP should contact ebay and explain the request for change of address in order to have sale cancelled by ebay to avoid final valuation fees. Ebay can also investigate the ebay account used to make the purchase.
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@markelman1125 said:
Send it to the address that is listed on PayPal it will be less confusing 👍
It's already been shown earlier in the thread the buyer making the request for a change in address is notorious for scamming others in this manner. Sending it to the PP address on record will not get it to a valid buyer and only cause further hassle. OP should contact ebay and explain the request for change of address in order to have sale cancelled by ebay to avoid final valuation fees. Ebay can also investigate the ebay account used to make the purchase.
It’s been shown that the person sending the messages is a known scammer.
The person who bought the coin most likely is a legitimate buyer that is not connected to the scammer.
We even had a person on this forum who was a legitimate buyer but had this same scammer try to steal the coin (the seller-also on this forum-contacted the buyer and everything was resolved).
@PhillyJoe said:
In the thread that I linked, I was the buyer of the 1993 Philadelphia proof set that Dpoole sold. He emailed me about the suspicious email he received and I confirmed to him that it didn't come from me. I thanked him for contacting me and please send to the confirmed address. Transaction was smooth as silk.
@derryb see the post above for what usually happens with this situation.
Is this the Twilight Zone? A lot of people chiming in without reading all of the information.
Listen to @U1chicago - they are seeing the situation clearly.
The real buyer did not contact @Paradisefound asking for an address change. A scammer did from a different account. The scammer’s email/message has nothing to do with the original sale (other than mentioning the item) and would just be ignored by most experienced sellers - who would hopefully be able to notice that the real buyer didn’t send the message.
Why are so many saying to cancel the sale when the real buyer did not contact the seller at all? By that logic, you're allowing a random person the power to cancel legit transactions just because they message a seller about a sold item that they did not win. Makes ZERO sense!
If I were @Paradisefound, I would just go through eBay - click "print shipping label" on the eBay item's page and fully insure the package. Just do everything via eBay and PayPal's rules for sellers, and you'll be fine. If you are still concerned, call eBay (not PayPal, as they will not be able to access your eBay messages) and explain to them your concerns. They will advise you on what to do in order to cover yourself as a seller.
@Paradisefound said:
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
If this is the case, call Paypal and ebay to advise you.
If one wants, they can call eBay.
What kind of advice you’ll get, I don’t know.
The case is pretty simple from what can be seen.
Real buyer with confirmed address buys item.
Scammer sees a bunch of expensive items sold and messages all those sellers to try and steal the items.
-Scammer is a known entity who multiple sellers have seen before (me, another poster on this forum, other sellers on eBay threads)
Ignore the scammer and only deal with the real buyer
As long as the money is in your PayPal account and the buyer is confirmed via eBay/PayPal, then it’s no different than a regular sale
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Tell him you refunded his payment due to a change you needed to make on your paypal account. Then ask him to resend payment to your "new account". Bet you never hear from him again.
Cancel the sale no matter what. If there is a real buyer they should understand. Many red flags on Google about this address.
There you go! You must be a oil field worker!
Why Ebay sellers drink for $600 Alex.
How if the buyer is NOT the same as this 'person'? However I did contact 'the buyer' and awaiting for his response.
If it’s a different person. Wait until the real buyer gets back to you and ship to their confirmed address when they let you know they in fact purchased it.
DO NOT REPEAT PLEASE DO NOT SHIP.
have the so called buyer change his address on bay/PP. If not you are responsible for loss.
That address has ALL KINDS of red flags if you just Google it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=2213+ogletown+rd+unit+b+ebay&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS780US781&oq=22&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59l2j69i60l2.4100j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active
there was an underbidder and you could refund/cancel this sale and sell to the underbidder. Problem solved. However, before I refunded I would make a call to make sure the PP payment was real and the funds are truly there. I rather doubt they are.
bob
Bob - the person who bought the coin is not the person who contacted her asking for a change of address as I understand it. It’s someone fishing for a free coin.
Is this correct @Paradisefound
Just cancel the sale, if there is a real buyer they will contact you and ask why you canceled. You can work out a new transaction with the buyer. What looks like a real buyer may be a partner in crime. If it were my sale I would cancel and hold off selling it for a week or two. I would not sell to either buyer. Don't throw gas on a fire, let it burn out.
This would penalize the real buyer. They have nothing to do with the scammer. Yesterday was also a bonus bucks day, so the real buyer could miss out on earning the bonus all because of a scammer.
Like I said before, let’s say I bought a coin from you and paid with a confirmed PayPal address. Then some scammer unrelated to me messages the seller and tries to trick them. How am I to blame? If the sale is canceled, I lose out on the bonus bucks and will likely not repurchase the item.
It’s also similar to the people that see a better variety sell and then message the seller to try and offer to buy it. In both cases, the seller should ignore the unrelated messages and only deal with the real buyer.
Now if a person bought an item and then used that same account to send a message to change the address, that is fishy and should likely result in a cancellation.
Good your scam radar responded correctly. Listen to your internal voice. All the advice above is good.
Too bad, soo sad! Better the real buyer than me.
Hell no!
If this is the case, call Paypal and ebay to advise you.
Like I mentioned, there are steps to take-like contacting the real buyer first.
A knowledgeable scammer wouldn’t pull something this basic.
You could cancel the sale, lose a real buyer, and then relist only to run into a smarter scammer (like one who won’t send a message but just pull an item not as described or return an empty box scam).
As long as the real buyer confirms they bought it and PayPal/eBay says their info is confirmed (eligible for seller protection), this would be no different than any other sale.
The scammer is just extra noise that the seller should block/report/ignore.
sorry to hear about yout sick father. It seems irresponsible to fiddle with coins while your dad is dying , shame on you , I am cancelling the sale so you won't go straight to hell.
If in fact you are about to sacrifice your dad to the volcano god and you require the coin as part of an ancient ritual try substituting a cheap chinese fake instead. Since the ritual consumes the coin why waste real gold you dummy.
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If one wants, they can call eBay.
What kind of advice you’ll get, I don’t know.
The case is pretty simple from what can be seen.
Scammer sees a bunch of expensive items sold and messages all those sellers to try and steal the items.
-Scammer is a known entity who multiple sellers have seen before (me, another poster on this forum, other sellers on eBay threads)
Ignore the scammer and only deal with the real buyer
@Paradisefound contacting the real confirmed buyer is wise. Wait and see what they reply. Then go from there.
I know what I’d do, but you should decide for yourself how comfortable/uncomfortable you are with the whole situation.
I handle strange ebay transactions & buyers the same way I handle killer rabbits.....
Run away! Run away!
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Google the address: here's what comes up at the top of the list
I just went by what the OP said:
" ...sold my duplicate $20 Saint Gaudens and the buyer immediately requested to ship it to different address due to "father being sick"...."
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
Nope.
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Tell them to take a hike.
Also, Paypal should be able to confirm
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@Paradisefound Only ship to Ebay address of record. Recommend you notify PP and cancel transaction.
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It looks like you have a lot of good advice here. But honestly I think it sounds like you can lose if you do that. Like others have suggested, call eBay and tell them the situation. I’m more than sure they will tell you not to send it anywhere but the address that is shown on the sale. No way would I send it anywhere else.
JMO
Be safe
Absolutely not
Collector, occasional seller
Contact ebay and stay on them until wamto53 is NARU'd. It's obviously an account that contacts sellers after auctions to try to get them to ship to them instead of the buyer.
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Edited: I had missed the post from PF that the eBay ID of the buyer was NOT the same ID as the ID of the one who sent the message asking to redirect the shipment. U1C had it correct - total scam.
Paradise ,
I am going to make this simple decision for you and agree with the others as some of us have 20 years experience selling on eBay .
DON’T SHIP IT !
JUST HIT CANCEL ORDER BUTTON AND REFUND THE MONEY !!
We all don’t want to see you get ripped off and aggravated . You are too generous and kind soul to have this happen .
Peace & Mahala ✌️❤️
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Run P run. If it appears the ebay account has been hijacked, or if a (0) feedback account created by the scammer.
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Wouldn't hurt to share the most likely (0) feedback ebay account with us, if not please PM it to me. Buyer is famous for setting up new ebay accounts to conduct this scam.
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Oh, HELL no, girl.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
Don't cancel transaction, just reach out to original buyer.
He who knows he has enough is rich.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
From later posts we did see that the “buyer” who sent the message wasn’t the same person (ID) as the one that did buy the coin.
As far as I can tell, nobody has been hacked. There is just a scammer that is sending messages and hoping to steal items.
Seen that before. No no no.
This guy is famous for this trick, normally uses a (0) feeback ebay account to make the purchase. That's your first clue.
In the description of all my high dollar items I include: "We do not ship to ebay buyers with less than 5 positive feedbacks as a buyer. If you have less than the required 5 feedbacks we will cancel the sale and refund your money, but only after you go through the hassle and delay of filing a claim. And yes, we will wait until the last possible day to make the refund."
OP should contact ebay and explain the request for change of address in order to have sale cancelled by ebay to avoid final valuation fees. Ebay can also investigate the ebay account used to make the purchase.
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Send it to the adress that is listed on PayPal it will be less confusing 👍
Danger,danger Will Robinson!
It's already been shown earlier in the thread the buyer making the request for a change in address is notorious for scamming others in this manner. Sending it to the PP address on record will not get it to a valid buyer and only cause further hassle. OP should contact ebay and explain the request for change of address in order to have sale cancelled by ebay to avoid final valuation fees. Ebay can also investigate the ebay account used to make the purchase.
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It’s been shown that the person sending the messages is a known scammer.
The person who bought the coin most likely is a legitimate buyer that is not connected to the scammer.
We even had a person on this forum who was a legitimate buyer but had this same scammer try to steal the coin (the seller-also on this forum-contacted the buyer and everything was resolved).
I think it's safer just to cancel the sale and do a giveaway instead!?!
@derryb see the post above for what usually happens with this situation.
Is this the Twilight Zone? A lot of people chiming in without reading all of the information.
Listen to @U1chicago - they are seeing the situation clearly.
The real buyer did not contact @Paradisefound asking for an address change. A scammer did from a different account. The scammer’s email/message has nothing to do with the original sale (other than mentioning the item) and would just be ignored by most experienced sellers - who would hopefully be able to notice that the real buyer didn’t send the message.
Why are so many saying to cancel the sale when the real buyer did not contact the seller at all? By that logic, you're allowing a random person the power to cancel legit transactions just because they message a seller about a sold item that they did not win. Makes ZERO sense!
If I were @Paradisefound, I would just go through eBay - click "print shipping label" on the eBay item's page and fully insure the package. Just do everything via eBay and PayPal's rules for sellers, and you'll be fine. If you are still concerned, call eBay (not PayPal, as they will not be able to access your eBay messages) and explain to them your concerns. They will advise you on what to do in order to cover yourself as a seller.