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privaterarecoincollectorprivaterarecoincollector Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 5, 2019 11:05PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hi, anybody has an idea if Harry Bass will be sold this year or next year ? The 20 years loan ends this year.

http://hbrf.org/coin-collection/

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2019 11:25PM

    The page describes the remaining part of the collection as "permanent" which I would assume to mean no sale?

    Following his death in 1998, the Foundation chose the best of the best – premier examples of coins and patterns, including some unique items that are not to be found anywhere else – for this permanent collection, and the rest were put up for sale.

  • @Zoins said:
    The page describes the remaining part of the collection as "permanent" which I would assume to mean no sale?

    Following his death in 1998, the Foundation chose the best of the best – premier examples of coins and patterns, including some unique items that are not to be found anywhere else – for this permanent collection, and the rest were put up for sale.

    it was for loan for 20 years, this I know. They can extend the loan or sell the collection.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2019 11:46PM

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @Zoins said:
    The page describes the remaining part of the collection as "permanent" which I would assume to mean no sale?

    Following his death in 1998, the Foundation chose the best of the best – premier examples of coins and patterns, including some unique items that are not to be found anywhere else – for this permanent collection, and the rest were put up for sale.

    it was for loan for 20 years, this I know. They can extend the loan or sell the collection.

    I'm sure they have other choices than extending the existing loan or selling the collection. The loan was to the ANA. They can choose to extend the loan to the ANA, loan the collection to another organization or retrieve the collection and put it into storage/display so there is no loan at all.

    The text is from the Foundation's website and I would interpret the text to mean the coins are permanent to the Foundation, regardless of whether the pieces are loaned out to the ANA or other organizations.

  • privaterarecoincollectorprivaterarecoincollector Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2019 11:52PM

    Yes the foundation owns the coins of course and only the foundation could sell them. Financially it would be a wise decision for them to sell them. The whole foundation is 76 Million USD only:
    http://hbrf.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Bass-Foundation-statements-and-opinion-2013.pdf
    If they just sell the collection and buy real estate from it, they would have much higher income that they then can give back to the community:
    We seek to enrich the lives of the citizens of Texas by providing support to qualified, 501(c)(3) organizations primarily in the areas of youth and education, with a special emphasis on early childhood education in Dallas, Texas.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2019 11:59PM

    @privaterarecoincollector said:
    Yes the foundation owns the coins of course and only the foundation could sell them. Financially it would be a wise decision for them to sell them. The whole foundation is 76 Million USD only:
    http://hbrf.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Bass-Foundation-statements-and-opinion-2013.pdf
    If they just sell the collection and buy real estate from it, they would have much higher income that they then can give back to the community:
    We seek to enrich the lives of the citizens of Texas by providing support to qualified, 501(c)(3) organizations primarily in the areas of youth and education, with a special emphasis on early childhood education in Dallas, Texas.

    That shows $38.4M in marketable securities. The stock market has done fairly well since 2014.

    In any event, it's up to the foundation to decide if they want to sell or not and their website indicates it's a "permanent collection", which I would interpret to mean no intention to sell. Of course, things could change.

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope they leave it intact for all generations to see...I hope they do not sell it off bit by bit..

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Foundation's track record on supporting the numismatic items Harry wanted is poor. All of the initiatives he promoted are dead or in zombie-land due to lack of Foundation support.

    I anticipate sale of the coins through a major auction company after the expected publicity run-up. Planning might already be in progress.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What a powerful collection. Thanks for sharing this link. Better than a reference book and free to enjoy.

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  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oooh, juicy for me either way.....

    I thought the loan was up 2 years ago.

  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The patterns are crazy cool.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Loved touring that site. Thanks for the link.

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    Seated Half Society member #38
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  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My experience with the Foundation has not been positive. They have numismatic files that I wanted to research and publish, but they couldn't be bothered.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 534 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I imagine Hansen will be following the (potential) sale of this collection with interest, keeping in mind that the sole example of the 1870-S $3 is the property of the Bass Foundation.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2019 11:06AM

    @Ronyahski said:
    My experience with the Foundation has not been positive. They have numismatic files that I wanted to research and publish, but they couldn't be bothered.

    Maybe they are not staffed for that and need to do something at a higher level like work to publish everything on the NNP. Can someone from the NNP reach out to them?

  • cnncoinscnncoins Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭

    I graded and appraised the collection in 2011 while I was at Stacks...some incredible coins for sure!

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just see very dirty pool among the trustees and a big auction house (not the one you'd think either). I want in the on the deal!

    Heck, ya think I have the collectors for it????

    The 70S is really beat up. That is a Delloy type classic rarity. I can't see many other buyers lined up.

  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    My experience with the Foundation has not been positive. They have numismatic files that I wanted to research and publish, but they couldn't be bothered.

    Maybe they are not staffed for that and need to do something at a higher level like work to publish everything on the NNP. Can someone from the NNP reach out to them?

    A post above mentIons the foundation assets are $76MM with $38MM in marketable securities. Sorry but that is peanuts to operate a non-profit on anything other than a shoestring budget.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WCC said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    My experience with the Foundation has not been positive. They have numismatic files that I wanted to research and publish, but they couldn't be bothered.

    Maybe they are not staffed for that and need to do something at a higher level like work to publish everything on the NNP. Can someone from the NNP reach out to them?

    A post above mentIons the foundation assets are $76MM with $38MM in marketable securities. Sorry but that is peanuts to operate a non-profit on anything other than a shoestring budget.

    I’m not sure what you are saying. Are you saying their funds are insufficient to work with the NNP?

  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @WCC said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Ronyahski said:
    My experience with the Foundation has not been positive. They have numismatic files that I wanted to research and publish, but they couldn't be bothered.

    Maybe they are not staffed for that and need to do something at a higher level like work to publish everything on the NNP. Can someone from the NNP reach out to them?

    A post above mentIons the foundation assets are $76MM with $38MM in marketable securities. Sorry but that is peanuts to operate a non-profit on anything other than a shoestring budget.

    I’m not sure what you are saying. Are you saying their funds are insufficient to work with the NNP?

    No, I think the linkage to NNP is a good idea. I was saying the other poster's negative experience might have been the result of inadequate staffing due to insufficient funding.

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    I just see very dirty pool among the trustees and a big auction house (not the one you'd think either). I want in the on the deal!

    Heck, ya think I have the collectors for it????

    The 70S is really beat up. That is a Delloy type classic rarity. I can't see many other buyers lined up.

    but it's the only one!

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could buy ALL the patterns in the group!!! Or auction them! No one has bigger pattern buyers then me!

  • @specialist said:
    I could buy ALL the patterns in the group!!! Or auction them! No one has bigger pattern buyers then me!

    Why dont you call the foundation and ask them ? You might get your patterns and we an answer.

  • edwardjulioedwardjulio Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Leonard Augsburger, I believe, manages NNP
    leonard_augsburger@hotmail.com

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just EXCUISITE <3

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinosaurus said:

    Maybe they are not staffed for that and need to do something at a higher level like work to publish everything on the NNP. Can someone from the NNP reach out to them?

    NNP would be most interested. Anyone have a contact?

    I can give you the Trustees contact info, when I get home from vacation, got it from JD. Might want to contact JD to see if he has been on good terms since the Bass/ JD book. AFAIK, that was last time they worked with the Bass files, said they have been deep sixth since.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can give you the Trustees contact info, when I get home from vacation, got it from JD. Might want to contact JD to see if he has been on good terms since the Bass/ JD book. AFAIK, that was last time they worked with the Bass files, said they have been deep sixth since.

    Feel free to PM. Thanks.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    I could buy ALL the patterns in the group!!! Or auction them! No one has bigger pattern buyers then me!

    The comparisons between Laura and Trump will probably not end here.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.

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