Is anyone else thinking 65s are getting pretty bad?
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In my time wasting searches, I'm seeing fewer and fewer 65 graded coins (mostly pre 1900) where the 64 is far more eye appealing.
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It's a widget wonderland out there.
If you want a nice 65, you have to buy an OK looking 66 or look for a 65-Bean (about the same price)
I've been lucky this last year but I'm like a cat on a mouse hole.
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What grading company are you referring to?
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I have a lovely 63 that was in an old holder 65 CAC.
Some of the NGC 67 dollars are barely gem.
The number on the label is just a number.... I judge the coin... it may or may not be represented by the typed opinion. I collect coins that I like... and the label is just decoration. Cheers, RickO
I don't see this happening. With standards tightening up, as they have been; I've been seeing more true gems.
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The one thing I have noticed after a longish hiatus collecting US coins, is the disappointing condition of many of the big coins in 65, especially gold. I remember a "gem" as being less baggy as a rule.
Todays 65s are certainly yesterdays 63s, in the world of Morgan and Peace anyway. Another decade and those 63s may just make 66+.
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Very hard to get all the positives, strike luster eye appeal minimal marks thick skin in gems these days unless you don't mind toned coins. Was looking at some MS63 $20 Saints new and old holders today, some had merits of higher grade but other things holding them back.
Still some nice ones out there if you're patient:
Like the old saying goes, buy the coin, not the slab.
Makes one wonder about the usefulness of numbers for grades.
How many would-be new collectors are being "confused away" from coin collecting because of the number problem?
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PCGS too.
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IMO, None who have a brain, a computer and can read.
From what I've seen, the problem is mostly due to attractive toning. Strip it away, and I like your point.
Logger7 brings up a good point.
Overgraded coins are just going to be there to see...For sale forever.
Most of the saints I see pictured on this forum are overgrazed so when people complain about it I just scratch my head.
You want to see some monster 63's, check out renman's set.
Ask him how long he has to look to find one & I think he will tell you it isn't easy.
The cherries are about gone...You have to worry about road apples now.
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I prefer 64, even 63. Very often they look nicer and they ALWAYS cost a lot less.
I love this saying. With enough gradeflation and enough coins in holders, you won't ever be able to buy the coin.
IMO, None who have a brain, a computer and can read.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
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Someone here should start a TPG wall of shame of ridiculously under graded and over graded coins. I find it hard to believe that both PCGS and CAC were originally in error by that much.
Someone here should start a TPG wall of shame of ridiculously under graded and over graded coins. I find it hard to believe that both PCGS and CAC were originally in error by that much.
I wouldn't be any help in contributing example images for the wall of shame but I like the idea of it as a learning experience for those collectors with a brain, a computer and who can read.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
It's the 67-68+ range newer graded coins that I keep scratching my head about?!?
It may be hard to believe, but it is true. I don't make things up. Fatty 65 CAC became a PCGS 63. Many other examples, but hopefully the new guy will get this stuff fixed. Grade-Deflation is killing me.
I'm not questioning the veracity of what you say.
Still some nice ones out there if you're patient:
That 1923 Peace Dollar is an original superb gem. There is nothing phony about its toning.
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.---Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America, 1801-1809. Jefferson was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence.
Haven't shopped for a coin in 65 for many years... my want list is in grades like VG and Fine details net AG.
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Not really.
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CAC gold and then a trip to Heritage?
64 in "MS" and PF holders offer the best value.
Just my opinion...
(But it's true...
You might have to sift through a few before you find the kind you're looking for. But is worth it.
I have noticed the premiums for a '+' 67+, especially, in Washington quarters and Walkers, is astronomical formany-registry points?-I side with CAC on these. I can not see paying 3 or four times the money for something that ten people are likely to give ten opinions.
Thanks. In an NGC "Fatty" holder.
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Methinks anything graded 64 on up should never by ugly!
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