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Guess the grade PCGS 1821 Bust Quarter PCGS insert REVEALED
Soldi
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This was in an ANACS holder at EF 45 as shown. I sent it to PCGS for regrading received the coin this week. straight graded. 
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VF35
My guess is VF35
35 would be my guess also if it passes cleaning.
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The coin has straight graded just a touch of cabinet friction the picture is 120 Xs as big as the coin
40
With that said, I'm confused. I thought you said in the other thread that it upgraded by a lot. Maybe you were referencing another coin. It looks to have more than a little cabinet friction IMHO.
Nice coin btw.
It probably got an EF-40, but I think that it’s a near miss at VF35.
I haven't commented on this coin's grade. I am changing my name to Mr Lousy Picture
40
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You're right. My memory was faulty and was based on my inference from vague statements you made on your other thread. I interpreted this post from your thread about your 1921 SLQ that upgraded as implying that this coin upgraded too: "Just wait until next week ! I will post a Bust Quarter large sized 1821 by ANACS that was graded by PCGS last week."
It's okay. When I bought the coin I was told it was a pocket piece carried by James Monroe to his second term swearing in ceremony. It's Monroe's lucky pocket piece "wool pant scratches" and has been handed down through his family and now in their estate and for sale. . That's what the dealer told me when I bought the coin in Toledo, I know it's true cause I checked the local Toledo Herald newspaper and a lady named Mrs. Monroe died that week. So, I bought it and hopped a plane to NJ.
40
40
I see a 35.
I think 40. NIce looking coin!
Looks 37 from here
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Maybe 38
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I like it as a 35
40
40.
Looks like a probable EF, graded raw?
Forty...ish
What's with the VF 30? Are someday's Diamonds and someday's Stones?
No, don't attempt to change it or explain yourself..............you made your choice
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Thank you all for playing. I hope to buy a camera that I can use and give a better picture. It's a VF 30 PCGS insert shown.
You guys/gals are the best.
VF30 is a good technical grade for your piece. I like your coin a lot more than this VF35 piece which sold for 25 money: coins.ha.com/itm/bust-quarters/quarters-and-twenty-cents/1821-25c-vf35-pcgs
If I were you, I would sit on it until the next period of grade loosening and then resubmit it.
That is pretty severe gradewise, I wonder what the graders and finalizers were thinking? When Anacs called it a 45, weren't they pretty objective not puffing up grades to please submitters? A 15 point downgrade seems irrational.
IMHO, That coin was graded so stupidly WRONG in either ANACS holder at AU or XF and I regard the ANACS graders as top notch. That is all I'll post except to add that it is lucky for me that I came to this thread after the PCGS grade was posted.
He'll have little problem getting solid 35 money for his piece. It was overgraded in the ANACS holder, way over-graded.
I guess in the mean time I'll just run down the hill and throw myself into the river
You folks see? The SLQ went up and the Bust Quarter went down. Oh well, oh well, that's grading in 2018
You guys/gals are the best. If you don't show other people what's going on you never know what's out there in coin land.
Colt .......Thank you for the link, yes that coin is awful.
I mean this too the coin I have doesn't show any hairlines unless you have a 7 power loupe up close.
It's just pleasing and original, except for that lame story about James Monroe.
Great coin, my first though was 40, happy you got a 45 so quite a deal to get it in a ANACS holder and cross it straight, well done!
Best, SH
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EDIT: I was ONLY speaking of the 1821 Quarter. I thought in the first case the 1921 empty holder was a labeling error as I only saw an image of one coin.!
IMHO, that coin was graded so stupidly WRONG in either ANACS holder at XF and I regard the ANACS graders as top notch. That is all I'll post except to add that it is lucky for me that I came to this thread after the PCGS grade was posted.
Yes, indeed it is true that I liked your comment, as that's an old skinny ANACS holder and I like the grading they did too
Oops, I see now that it was graded 30 by PCGS. I agree that is WAY TOO LOW. That is a 40 all day long. and on a good day, a 45.
Best, SH
I suspect it was silently net graded.
Very disheartening. Makes you not want to send anything in.
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I got to get a camera. The brooch shows a full complete "W" . The coin is 198 years old.
Besides it's a pocket piece from James Monroe's family estate sale. That's what the dealer in Toledo said.
Wow... I thought 50 was a bit much, and 30 is a tad harsh... Didn't these earlier capped bust quarters suffer from poor strikes?
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How things change....
I'll bet most folks (in an anonymous poll) here over fifty years old here would grade the1821 between F-15 and VF-25; yet most here (including ANA graders when slabbed) think it is at least an XF!
That's something to think about. Lot's of money to be made when the old guys who know nothing about prices sell their "under-graded" stuff.
I’m ok with 30, though the services are pretty inconsistent on the 30-40 range with bust quarters. They likely net graded for hairlines, which don’t preclude straight grading but look heavier than average. It’s a coin that will sell for strong 30 money or weak 40 money, which is the same thing.
I think it has a decent chance of CAC at 30, which it would likely not as a 40.
The 1921 is grade OK.
Reading the printed definition of XF above, should prove to anyone that the 1821 coin is NOT XF.
I never thought the coin was an XF , but I think it's a bit better than a VF 30 coin. The old ANACS's graders thought it an XF45 I bought it because I liked it and the price was equal to a nice VF coin. I was going to leave it in the ANACS holder, but I wanted to see and I want you all to see the most recent grading comparisons here. AU 50 became 55 and EF 45 100 years older graded VF 30 seems PCGS is tight and right.
That's printed definition is out of the PCGS grading guide.
My personal opinion I don't think the "written grading guides have changed in 50 years" and I have the original ANACS hardcover book up to the PCGS coin grading book.
I said the written books
Thanks, that still does not make the 1821 XF by any stretch! The 1921 is a beauty. IMO, if it is original, it should be graded a MINIMUM of AU-55. Again IMO, the 1921 would have been graded AU even in the 1970's!
All coins are net graded.
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Unfortunately, he probably could have received XF40 PCGS money for it in the old ANACS holder as is.
Usually to receive an XF45 grade by any of the top 4 services, a coin must have claims to an AU50 meaning, among other things, luster. I can't recall having seen a mid grade VF coin with luster before. Just my 2c...