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Old coin picture printing plate (Clark Gruber related)

dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 10, 2018 10:48PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I bought this at a recent local show as a neat addition to my Colorado exonumia collection.
A lot cheaper than one of the coins !

It is a printing plate for an older book (yet to be determined):

Copper printing plate mounted on wood backing:

Stamped "88" between the coin images:

Direct reflection off the printing surface shows the image (reversed):

Old pencil writing on the back "1860 $10 / C. G. & C." (Clark Gruber & Company):

Imprinted on the side "88" with logo "I.P.E.U." (International Photo-Engravers Union [of North America]):

The I.P.E.U. was formed in 1904 and merged with another union becoming the L.P.I.U. in 1964.
That establishes a date range for this plate.

Close-up of "half-tone" printed image would look something like this:

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The diameters of the images printed by this plate are the same as the original coin.
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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An unexpected survivor. Nice.


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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Possibly an auction catalogue? Lot 88?

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Intriguing Colorado gold!

    bob :)

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,232 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks more like something that would be used for embossing paper rather than printing. It seems to have too much relief to have been useful for printing.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    It looks more like something that would be used for embossing paper rather than printing. It seems to have too much relief to have been useful for printing.

    It is actually very flat except for the incuse dots (which would apparently hold ink before transferring it to the printed surface).

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr

    That is very interesting. A lot of time and effort when into making them. Hopefully, there are some examples of what was printed from them in an archive somewhere.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nope, that is a photogravure plate that was etched using a technique in printing to paper. Each dot held ink which was transferred to paper. In a previous life, I was in that union when I worked at the NY Daily News, Brooklyn plant where we produced the Sunday funnies and the color magazine section. Nice find especially that coin image. That plate is still usable, ink it up and press it to paper. Peace Roy

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One never knows where coin exonumia may be found....Interesting piece Dan, thanks for showing us. Cheers, RickO

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    MartinMartin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    88 might be the union local

    Martin

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Martin said:
    88 might be the union local

    Martin

    Good thought. Find out where that local is/was and you might find the publisher.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    @dcarr

    That is very interesting. A lot of time and effort when into making them. Hopefully, there are some examples of what was printed from them in an archive somewhere.

    That is just "way cool". Even more so because it includes the "Stamp".

    Pete

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2018 9:06AM

    Amazing find! That looks really cool. Something to hold and examine.

    You are building up quite the Colorado Territorial collection :)

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Martin said:
    88 might be the union local

    Martin

    I agree. The fact that 88 was stamped next to the union logo supports that theory nicely.

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    53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭

    Great post. How cool!
    Would love to see you post a photo of a paper reproduction using this.

    HAPPY COLLECTING!!!
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,201 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice research @CaptHenway. Thanks


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    renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there smoe kind of product coming out of this down the road? ;-)

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2018 4:41PM

    @CaptHenway said:
    This will help date it to 1964 or before:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Photo-Engravers_Union_of_North_America

    @Kudbegud said:
    Nice research @CaptHenway. Thanks

    I had already done the date research ;)

    @dcarr said:
    Imprinted on the side "88" with logo "I.P.E.U." (International Photo-Engravers Union [of North America]):
    The I.P.E.U. was formed in 1904 and merged with another union becoming the L.P.I.U. in 1964.
    That establishes a date range for this plate.

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @Martin said:
    88 might be the union local

    Martin

    I agree. The fact that 88 was stamped next to the union logo supports that theory nicely.

    I concur.

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    CaptainBluntCaptainBlunt Posts: 212 ✭✭✭

    I saw something somewhat similar to this years ago on E-Bay....
    I saved the image somewhere....however in this case it
    for a J.J. Conway & Co. Eagle

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool piece, thanks for posting!

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