@BAJJERFAN said:
IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.
We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.
Those are IMO "losers" in the sense that they are poor choices. You can't lose something that wasn't yours to begin with.
Assuming the game isn’t rigged in some sense, all combinations are equally likely. I’m quite certain you already know this as we have discussed it before. You are obviously entitled to any superstitions/preferences you choose to have.
Anyway...
If I won I’d collect the same coins but at a higher level and extend my toned type set into the 19th century.
Yes, that's ONE property of that pool of numbers, but it's not the only one. There are other things about it which are true also.
About 95% of the white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers, about 3% contain only odd numbers and about 2% contain only even numbers. That's the calculated statistical expectation and being a random event will draw to that expectation over time depending upon which criteria you are discussing. There are just 6 ways to arrange 5 numbers based on whether they are odd or even. There are 11,238,513 possible combinations and all of them are assignable to one of those 6 arrangements. Since there are 35 odd numbered balls the number of possible combinations containing only odd numbers is 35 x 34 x 33 x 32 x 31 / 120 = 324,632. dividing by 11,238,513 gives 2.88 or about 3%. Since they are 3% of the total they will occur about 3% of the time. It also means that if you play ANY combination of all odd numbers 100 times that you will be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. Even if you play all 324,632 possible odd number combinations for the next 100 drawings you will still be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. And you can predict that before they even conduct a drawing.
I charted all of the PB drawings from 01/01/2013 to 12/31/2017. In that time there were 522 draws. Combinations with all even numbers were drawn just 9 times and those with all odd numbers a mere 8 times. So IMO you're wasting your money by intentionally picking those types of combinations. While it's true that all 11,238,513 have the same chance to be drawn, other criteria predict different outcomes so it depends upon which one you want to hang your hat on. And it's not superstition, it's an indisputable mathematical fact.
You're looking at it the wrong way. It may be rue that there is a very low chance that a certain group of numbers will win (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers), but that's irrelevant as the chance of any of the INDIVIDUAL draw combinations in that particular group of numbers has the same chance of winning as ANY OTHER particular draw combination. In other words, as all-white, all-odd draw combination has the same exact chance (1/300 million or whatever) as any other draw combination. If you picked a random combination that was not all-white, all-odd, it would have the exact same chance of winning as an all-white, all-odd combination. The group that that combination belongs to is irrelevant as the group (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers) is not the thing that is winning, the individual combination is. Simple math says that the chance of winning any particular combination is exactly the same irrelevant of what numbers you pick, it just SEEMS to not be the case because of the way our minds work.
I understand that, but that's only true if I had told you to pick a specific set of numbers like 8,11, 21,61,68 [which I did not] and which of course has the same chance as any of the others. But my criteria was only that the numbers be odd or even and nothing else. That of course introduces different probabilities which I explained above. If you pick 8, 14, 30, 44, 64 and play it for the next 100 draws you will always have the same chance as any of the other possibilities, but you will be out of the money 98 of those times because there's only a 2% chance that the winning numbers will be all even. BOTH things are true so it's a matter of which one you want to put more faith in.
@BAJJERFAN said:
IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.
We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.
Those are IMO "losers" in the sense that they are poor choices. You can't lose something that wasn't yours to begin with.
Assuming the game isn’t rigged in some sense, all combinations are equally likely. I’m quite certain you already know this as we have discussed it before. You are obviously entitled to any superstitions/preferences you choose to have.
Anyway...
If I won I’d collect the same coins but at a higher level and extend my toned type set into the 19th century.
Yes, that's ONE property of that pool of numbers, but it's not the only one. There are other things about it which are true also.
About 95% of the white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers, about 3% contain only odd numbers and about 2% contain only even numbers. That's the calculated statistical expectation and being a random event will draw to that expectation over time depending upon which criteria you are discussing. There are just 6 ways to arrange 5 numbers based on whether they are odd or even. There are 11,238,513 possible combinations and all of them are assignable to one of those 6 arrangements. Since there are 35 odd numbered balls the number of possible combinations containing only odd numbers is 35 x 34 x 33 x 32 x 31 / 120 = 324,632. dividing by 11,238,513 gives 2.88 or about 3%. Since they are 3% of the total they will occur about 3% of the time. It also means that if you play ANY combination of all odd numbers 100 times that you will be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. Even if you play all 324,632 possible odd number combinations for the next 100 drawings you will still be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. And you can predict that before they even conduct a drawing.
I charted all of the PB drawings from 01/01/2013 to 12/31/2017. In that time there were 522 draws. Combinations with all even numbers were drawn just 9 times and those with all odd numbers a mere 8 times. So IMO you're wasting your money by intentionally picking those types of combinations. While it's true that all 11,238,513 have the same chance to be drawn, other criteria predict different outcomes so it depends upon which one you want to hang your hat on. And it's not superstition, it's an indisputable mathematical fact.
You're looking at it the wrong way. It may be rue that there is a very low chance that a certain group of numbers will win (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers), but that's irrelevant as the chance of any of the INDIVIDUAL draw combinations in that particular group of numbers has the same chance of winning as ANY OTHER particular draw combination. In other words, as all-white, all-odd draw combination has the same exact chance (1/300 million or whatever) as any other draw combination. If you picked a random combination that was not all-white, all-odd, it would have the exact same chance of winning as an all-white, all-odd combination. The group that that combination belongs to is irrelevant as the group (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers) is not the thing that is winning, the individual combination is. Simple math says that the chance of winning any particular combination is exactly the same irrelevant of what numbers you pick, it just SEEMS to not be the case because of the way our minds work.
I understand that, but that's only true if I had told you to pick a specific set of numbers like 8,11, 21,61,68 [which I did not] and which of course has the same chance as any of the others. But my criteria was only that the numbers be odd or even and nothing else. That of course introduces different probabilities which I explained above. If you pick 8, 14, 30, 44, 64 and play it for the next 100 draws you will always have the same chance as any of the other possibilities, but you will be out of the money 98 of those times because there's only a 2% chance that the winning numbers will be all even. BOTH things are true so it's a matter of which one you want to put more faith in.
Yes, but you will always be picking a specific set of numbers in the end when you play the lottery...
@BAJJERFAN said:
IMO the "losers" are any combination with all single digit numbers for the white balls , or combinations where the white balls have all odd or all even numbers.
We’ve been over this. There is no such thing as a losing combination. The only downside to picking “patterns” or recognizable combinations is that you are more likely to split the winnings.
Those are IMO "losers" in the sense that they are poor choices. You can't lose something that wasn't yours to begin with.
Assuming the game isn’t rigged in some sense, all combinations are equally likely. I’m quite certain you already know this as we have discussed it before. You are obviously entitled to any superstitions/preferences you choose to have.
Anyway...
If I won I’d collect the same coins but at a higher level and extend my toned type set into the 19th century.
Yes, that's ONE property of that pool of numbers, but it's not the only one. There are other things about it which are true also.
About 95% of the white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers, about 3% contain only odd numbers and about 2% contain only even numbers. That's the calculated statistical expectation and being a random event will draw to that expectation over time depending upon which criteria you are discussing. There are just 6 ways to arrange 5 numbers based on whether they are odd or even. There are 11,238,513 possible combinations and all of them are assignable to one of those 6 arrangements. Since there are 35 odd numbered balls the number of possible combinations containing only odd numbers is 35 x 34 x 33 x 32 x 31 / 120 = 324,632. dividing by 11,238,513 gives 2.88 or about 3%. Since they are 3% of the total they will occur about 3% of the time. It also means that if you play ANY combination of all odd numbers 100 times that you will be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. Even if you play all 324,632 possible odd number combinations for the next 100 drawings you will still be OUT OF THE MONEY 97 of those times. And you can predict that before they even conduct a drawing.
I charted all of the PB drawings from 01/01/2013 to 12/31/2017. In that time there were 522 draws. Combinations with all even numbers were drawn just 9 times and those with all odd numbers a mere 8 times. So IMO you're wasting your money by intentionally picking those types of combinations. While it's true that all 11,238,513 have the same chance to be drawn, other criteria predict different outcomes so it depends upon which one you want to hang your hat on. And it's not superstition, it's an indisputable mathematical fact.
You're looking at it the wrong way. It may be rue that there is a very low chance that a certain group of numbers will win (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers), but that's irrelevant as the chance of any of the INDIVIDUAL draw combinations in that particular group of numbers has the same chance of winning as ANY OTHER particular draw combination. In other words, as all-white, all-odd draw combination has the same exact chance (1/300 million or whatever) as any other draw combination. If you picked a random combination that was not all-white, all-odd, it would have the exact same chance of winning as an all-white, all-odd combination. The group that that combination belongs to is irrelevant as the group (white ball only combinations contain both even and odd numbers) is not the thing that is winning, the individual combination is. Simple math says that the chance of winning any particular combination is exactly the same irrelevant of what numbers you pick, it just SEEMS to not be the case because of the way our minds work.
I understand that, but that's only true if I had told you to pick a specific set of numbers like 8,11, 21,61,68 [which I did not] and which of course has the same chance as any of the others. But my criteria was only that the numbers be odd or even and nothing else. That of course introduces different probabilities which I explained above. If you pick 8, 14, 30, 44, 64 and play it for the next 100 draws you will always have the same chance as any of the other possibilities, but you will be out of the money 98 of those times because there's only a 2% chance that the winning numbers will be all even. BOTH things are true so it's a matter of which one you want to put more faith in.
Yes, but you will always be picking a specific set of numbers in the end when you play the lottery...
Understood. There are lots of things about the lottery numbers that are true and they don't necessarily reinforce each other. There are lots of properties but the one where all possible combinations have the same chance is true and it's the only one that makes it fair to everyone. Like I said, it depends upon which one you like to hang your hat on.
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I understand that, but that's only true if I had told you to pick a specific set of numbers like 8,11, 21,61,68 [which I did not] and which of course has the same chance as any of the others. But my criteria was only that the numbers be odd or even and nothing else. That of course introduces different probabilities which I explained above. If you pick 8, 14, 30, 44, 64 and play it for the next 100 draws you will always have the same chance as any of the other possibilities, but you will be out of the money 98 of those times because there's only a 2% chance that the winning numbers will be all even. BOTH things are true so it's a matter of which one you want to put more faith in.
Yes, but you will always be picking a specific set of numbers in the end when you play the lottery...
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Understood. There are lots of things about the lottery numbers that are true and they don't necessarily reinforce each other. There are lots of properties but the one where all possible combinations have the same chance is true and it's the only one that makes it fair to everyone. Like I said, it depends upon which one you like to hang your hat on.