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1884-S Morgan & 09-VDB - GTG -Grades are in-

ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 31, 2018 1:24PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I’m sending these soon to PCGS
I have grades I expect and wonder what you all think... Not to influence anyone, I’ll wait a few minutes to say what I think...


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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2018 10:49AM

    Cent 65/66 (a nice one), dollar ~53 and cleaned

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65rd

    45/50

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cent 65RD
    Dollar genuine XF details

    bob :)

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65rd and au details

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65RD
    AU Details-Cleaned

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    cent 65RD, dollar XF details maybe AU details on a good day cleaned.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64RD
    AU50

    When in doubt, don't.
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    TiborTibor Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64RD XF40 details cleaned

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I took the picture, I thought it made it look cleaned. Indeed it does look cleaned in the picture. I have looked it over extensively and I think it'll grade AU53. I will not edit this post and will show the results when I get it back It's slightly possible it comes back as cleaned, but I really think it's original. The fields are slightly reflective and I believe this is the way it wore.
    And, FWIW here's a comparison on the cent:

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess for the cent is 65 red BTW

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    Cent 65RD
    Dollar genuine XF details

    bob :)

    exactly my thoughts too

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s really hard to capture the actual look of the Morgan. Here’s a few more. This is the best I can do with the phone:



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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 You do Morgans, what do you think?

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    JcldJcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭

    66RD and 55 fingers crossed that it isn't cleaned

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    10000lakes10000lakes Posts: 811 ✭✭✭✭

    I think there is a pretty good chance that the 84-s will get a straight grade as AU53.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65RD or 66RB
    53

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    @Wabbit2313 You do Morgans, what do you think?

    Hey Asheland:

    65RD
    53 shot at 55!

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 Thanks!
    I appreciate the responses from everybody! The first picture makes it look cleaned, no doubt. The angled shots are a LOT more of what it truly looks like. I feel better now, almost second guessed whether or not I should send it. lol

    Dipped? Likely, but I seriously believe original surfaces otherwise...

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jcld said:
    66RD and 55 fingers crossed that it isn't cleaned

    Best I can do with both hands is 10 fingers crossed including my thumbs. 55 fingers crossed would be quite a sight to see. :D

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just took a look and I would guess:

    '09 VDB at 65RD shot 66
    '84-S AU-53

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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2018 8:26PM

    @mannie gray said:
    65RD or 66RB
    53

    Could not have said it better myself, :) I think you nailed both of them....

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    RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the red 65 and AU cleaned camp.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65 red
    Cleaned AU details

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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66/ AU50 - cleaned

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66/ AU50 .

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    jedmjedm Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A few posts back, before I got to your pics of the MS66 cent, I agreed with 64RD and 50.
    Now I am at 65RD & 50.

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    HEY, No switching paddles in mid stream J/K

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65RD... and AU53.... Cheers, RickO

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53 on the Morgan and as mentioned by many from the pictures it certainly looks cleaned.

    No guess on the wheat, not my area of expertise. Looks nice though. Congrats.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They go out tomorrow or the next day. I’ll post the results when I have them back...

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    SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going 50 cleaned on the dollar. Too many hairlines.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice cent... MS65RD
    The Morgan dollars looks like AU50 details, cleaned.

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    vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭

    The Morgan is possibly cleaned. A lot seems to be going on with the surfaces. AU50 details., maybe EF Hate to be a downer but I think there is too much wear above the ear and on the eagle's chest for a 53.

    I hope I am wrong, and it comes back straight 53!

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    SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018 3:47PM

    Definitely a 65 on the 09 vdb Red. The 1884S is going to get an EF 45 grade. and it has detail for more, but it's going to get taken down points for the chin mark and the fields. I wish you the best of luck. Watch the PCGS coin grading video on this site. A dip is not a cleaning, that coin is not cleaned, although that coin has been dipped.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They actually went out this morning, 12/6/18 It'll also be interesting to see how quick they come back... I also have them both set for true-views. :smiley:

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    jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65,53

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grades are in. Although I don't know them yet... :D
    My friend sent them in and I asked that he doesn't tell me, but to let me see them when I take possession of the slabs. I'm a little old fashioned and like the suspense, I expect them next week and will post slab shots as soon as I get them!
    I got tru-views, too, I look forward to seeing how they look in them!

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No slab shots yet, true-views are not in yet either, but the grades are:
    MS65 Red - nailed it
    XF45 ouch! :D
    I'll post slab shots soon and true views, too!

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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,099 ✭✭✭

    XF45 is harsh for a coin with that much luster. I pegged it at AU53 before seeing the grades.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @commoncents05 said:
    XF45 is harsh for a coin with that much luster. I pegged it at AU53 before seeing the grades.

    -Paul

    Agree! AU53 was my thought, too. I'm just glad they didn't think it was cleaned, indeed the pictures make it look that way, but I was certain that it wasn't. But what I've been hearing about them being tight is certainly true. I am totally cool with it, it's a solid XF if there ever was one!

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrible full slab shot.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Decent shot of the Lincoln
    I give up trying to get a good shot of the Morgan

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats on the Lincoln. The Morgan is kind of a surprise. Maybe it was net graded to xf45 due to a slight problem with the coin. It sure looks AU to me, and I have seen many better date or key date coins with minor problems in straight grade holders. The details are there for AU but was down graded to XF for market acceptability.

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    bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭

    what held cent back from a 66

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bestday said:
    what held cent back from a 66

    I think the spots in front of Abes face held it back from 66... it's a prime focal point.

    The Morgan gives me pause though... what I thought could have been hairlines obviously weren't because the piece straight graded... I think there's more meat on this coin than 45. I said 50, and could see 53 not being all that much of a stretch...

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm at 14 months and still selling raw!

    @FadeToBlack said:
    XF45... good to know I won't be sending any coins in for grading in the next month.

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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2018 8:21PM

    I usually don't miss the Morgans (I said ~53). Actually I thought is was cleaned but I guess if is was, it wasn't too harshly since they slabbed it without comment.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bestday said:
    what held cent back from a 66

    Spots on the obv and rev and I think the luster is a just miss for a 66

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