Color me gone!
Coinstartled
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Go ahead, Don or Heather, pull the plug.
The locked threads.
Banning 15 year members for incidental infractions.
Dumping the monumental work of Roger Burdette with not even an apology.
I have to triple think each post now to avoid the wrath of the demigods.
I don't roll that way.
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I understand what you are posting. Many of us feel the same as the PM's are flying all over the place. However, Heather said that in this one case it was an unfortunate computer mistake by an employee. Rather than leave, let's see if it can be fixed. Hopefully, in six months, the screws will not be so tight.
Have you also noticed that the entire archive has been changed? Previously page 1 (most recent) to page 5000+ was near the top of the window. Now only 1 to 100 shows and nothing after that! The only was yo see earlier posts is to search a specific topic. Perhaps that same employee caused that by mistake too.
Please edit your post, @Coinstartled. I appreciate your humor and contributions to the board. I've seen enough people go
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
WOW!
I was just going to PM you CS and I will be right behind you as far as the "plug" goes.
It's getting REALLY creepy in here AFAIC and I have the rope a swinging............
Thank you Raybo.
Freezing my very innocuous CAC thread was the final straw. This is third grade theatrics.
No Love Lost for being gone from CU ....... I am right behind you
Walking on eggshells is no way to live, that is for sure.
And considering the girth of most in the hobby, the shells have no chance.
Et tu Brute?
Even though we have not had that much contact you are one of the best PF.
Color outside the line
VIVA LA VIDA 
The wise move would've been making one or two long-time trusted forum regulars the moderators.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Times like these I think everyone needs to step away from the keyboard and calm down. The forum is just under new leadership, and every unit I was ever in during the Army was the same. New Captain wanted to improve on the what the last one did. And eventually, it all stabilized.
I'd hate to see people keep getting banned. The hobby is small as it is, and we need all the people we can hang onto. This place should be a diversion from stress, not add to it.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Other than a guess the grade thread or the like, I am reluctant to post anything at all.
Aloha Nui Loa ....... I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me on the way out.
Love you all and Thank you for being my friends this past year
At least we're not being watched by Big Brother.
Mamba Out
That's what they have done on other forums and I'll bet it may have been a consideration. Nevertheless, we have an active and concerned moderator here now and I don't think anyone can fault her as she has to answer to a higher authority who can override her at any time.
Do you have any idea what it takes to moderate a site in a fair way? I do. Much of the time there is so much "traffic" that the ONLY way to find out a discussion is going off track is if it's reported.
DCW is correct. Let's cool it and let the dust settle. I'm going to try but I don't think I'll be able to stop commenting on this issue.
Yes I do. It's a PITA usually but that's where long time members being mods would have the advantage of familiarity with the forum and it's members. When a thread gets out of control here it's obvious and easy to spot.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
I will say it again...I really miss Sports Moderator!
He/She (I just had to throw in both genders in for some reason) had total control of these forums...do you people remember?
SM would pop up in a thread when things went south, or SM would pop up in my PM's (I think it was just once) to give me a little whooping.
These forums have become..................................
It's very sad that so many respected and liked members feel this way.
If people are expecting or even willing to get banned, why not instead take a little break and as @Insider2 said "let's cool it and let the dust settle."
Without all of you we will be left with nothing but people posting pictures of pocket change.
Worst of all, the collapse of the membership would mean that a certain troll succeeded in starting a chain reaction that ruined this forum.
Sometimes coming in as the new sheriff can be tough. If it seems a bit "overmanaged", just step away for a bit. Stuff happens.
The percentage of PCGS business represented by every pissed-off person blowing off steam here is pretty insignificant. This isn't a hill worth dying on, and there's an awful lot of value for each and every one of you in sticking around.
I've referred many collectors here over the years. Some have found the past hazing and hijinks off-putting. Others continue to use this board on a regular basis for the great resource that it is. I just hope that it can stay both fun AND informative.
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I liked Roger as much as the next person, but he was confrontational with PCGS and you cant expect them to put up with that on their own forum, can you? Remember, this isnt the first banning for Mr. Burdette doing the same thing.
Rules are pretty simple, guys. Why overthink them?
Dont bash PCGS on the forum they pay for.
Dont get political and nasty with each other.
Keep it coin related. (I mean, that's what we're all here for, right?)
I really dont see the need for a mass exodus over some closed threads and bans which may be worked out in short order.
I hope cooler heads prevail...
See you in the AM?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
After I'm banned (again) I can still come back to the forums and look at what you posted JBK...right?
I really don't need to post like some other people need to do, you know the people I'm talking about......the people that think they know more than anyone else.
I really like most of the people that post here, but others not so much.
I'm with CS, just put the bullet in my skull and be done with it.
I hope everyone gives it some time and stays. This is still an amazing place.
The simplified rules posted by @DCW seem like they would keep one from running afoul of major issues here.
Leave for 1/2 day and I have no idea what I missed.
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All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!
I missed this last one too.
Your thread asked a question and was answered. You were not banned. The thread was not deleted. It was simply locked because its purpose was over.
If you want to ban yourself, go ahead. Personally, I think that Heather has been very forthcoming and tried very hard to explain herself and PCGS's position. I'm willing to trust in her intentions and trust that what she says about the banned members is true: they were warned, they refused to heed the warning, so they are gone.
PCGS could have just shut down the entire forum. And, if we continue to be more trouble than we are worth, they probably will. I, too, feel a little hesitant to post things, but that might be a good thing. For those of you that find me abrasive, you are probably silently rejoicing. Apparently you are just hurt to discover that others may find you occasionally abrasive.
For those that want to leave, where are you going? Most commercial boards are lightly moderated. Unmoderated boards are cesspools of trolling.
For those of us who want to stay, I don't think it is that difficult to avoid libelous statements, trashing of each other, or political arguments.
As one who wants to stay, I humbly ask that those of you who want to go, go quietly. I would prefer you not torpedo this forum as you exit.
I was PerryHall until a few days ago and then I was banned and my entire existence of many years here was wiped out including over 35,000 posts and thousands of PM's. Heather brought me back because many of you went to bat for me and I had to start over as a new forum member. I chose the name dirtygold. I implore my many friends here---please don't leave. Suggest that you just take a break for a few days. Your loss will be deeply felt and you will be greatly missed. I think Heather is a reasonable person and will ease up a bit once she gets to know us better.
I've noticed that some of the recently banned were able to come back as their old users with their posts intact. Others that were, and are still, banned still have their posts, while some others don't.
Is there any way to get your old posts back either by getting your old account back (like some recently banned and returned users) or having them reinstated to your banned account (like other recently banned but not returned users).
It seems a shame to lose 35,000 posts over a few bad ones. This goes doubly so for Roger who has posted a lot of original research and Mint documents that are otherwise unavailable online.
I wish that the rules would be applied equally to all members.
It is a shame that we have lost all of Roger’s posts. I use Google frequently for research, and sometimes it would lead me to his contributions. Now it’s all gone.
I don't know if deleted posts can be brought back here but I'm at peace with PerryHall being dead. Sometimes it's a good thing to get a fresh start with a clean slate so to speak. If anyone needs to speak with PerryHall, I can channel him from beyond the grave. Halloween is over and I need to move along.
JBK said: "Worst of all, the collapse of the membership would mean that a certain troll succeeded in starting a chain reaction that ruined this forum."
THIS is the one needle that stuck all of us in the side and is still bleeding us dry.
Pete
The forum is an asset that could be turned into a liability.
Here's an example of NO ONE winning.
What a shame.
It seems like they cannot from this thread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1008297/lets-talk-about-the-rules#latest
I guess that means you won't be using your old avatar? I was hoping to have some continuity
I actually like the new turquois avatar. It really stands out.
Hopefully Heather can bring back Roger and perhaps he can repost some of his more important research over time. Roger was definitely a major asset here. I'm not sure how egregious his transgression was but I hope his banishment isn't permanent.
Banning members is too harsh and wiping out their past posts is over the top. I could understand shutting someone up for a week and deleting the offending remarks but this permanent stuff is scaring people enough to not share ideas and history. NOT GOOD!
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
From the posts in the thread below, wiping out all their past posts was an accident and won't be done in the future.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1008297/lets-talk-about-the-rules#latest
Drama. Cycles.
Still the number One forum.
I am relatively new here, both to the forum and coin collecting. It is unfortunate to see this resource and gathering place diminished by conflict.
I have avoided these threads but would like to make a suggestion - can we try to find productive solutions?
For example, if there was an off-topic forum, it might allow members to have tangential conversations without worrying that the posts need to remain strictly coin related. This is clearly a community with relationships between members, and people are multi-dimensional. OT forums on other websites are well used.
Are there other changes to the forum that might benefit both the members and the host?
I ask the long time members to please stick around! There are a lot of newbies that have a lot to learn from you. And mods please use your power carefully.
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From this post "Have you also noticed that the entire archive has been changed? Previously page 1 (most recent) to page 5000+ was near the top of the window. Now only 1 to 100 shows and nothing after that! The only was yo see earlier posts is to search a specific topic. Perhaps that same employee caused that by mistake too."
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
@Coinstartled you asked if it was ok to discuss CAC. I took the time to answer your question. I closed the thread when the topic moved on To a discussion about boo birds. You didn’t get banned. This post won’t get you banned either.
RogerB has been unbanned.
For those of you who see the value in what is being done here thank you. For those of you who have bowed out, thank you for the contributions you have made and I hope to see you back some day. The rules don’t ask for much. There is a lot of over reaction, and over thinking happening and I know it will settle down.
Heather Boyd
PCGS Senior Director of Marketing