SGC grading sheet cut cards

Tomi · November 1, 2018 4:30PM

Can't see anything good coming out of this. I don't collect their stuff but people cracking out and resubmitting will probably put a lot of these cards into legit holders.
https://gosgc.com/culture/cutting-edge

brad31 · November 1, 2018 4:58PM

Wow that Jackson looks great. Think it is a risky opportunity to carve out a niche. Risky in what happens if a card is cut poorly? Would have an angry customer. I have no issue with sheet cut cards but I know many do. The transparency allows people to make their own choice.

PaulMaul · November 1, 2018 5:23PM

It’s also risky because most people who want to get sheet cut cards graded are not looking for them to be acknowledged as sheet cut.

Littletweed · November 1, 2018 5:36PM

"Our goal is to make these cuts indistinguishable from factory-cut cards."

It will be interesting to see what these sheet cut designated graded cards sell for.

CW · November 1, 2018 5:56PM

" Our goal is to make these cuts indistinguishable from factory-cut cards. "

Doesn't SGC realize how incredibly stupid this sounds???

It's not up to SGC to change collectors' perceptions of sheet cut cards.

CW · November 1, 2018 5:58PM

@brad31 said:
The transparency allows people to make their own choice.

True, but the transparency would be gone as soon as someone cracks the card out of the holder and either A) sells it as a raw, high grade card with no mention of being sheet cut, or B. attempts to send it to PSA or SGC for a standard grade as a falsely represented factory cut card.

1951WheatiesPremium · November 1, 2018 6:03PM

I’m always a little skeptical of a deal where a company has too much integration when there is great potential for conflict of interest.

If after YOU cut it, YOU grade it, how hard will YOU grade it...?

BriYo79 · November 1, 2018 6:06PM

How many of those cards will eventually be cracked out and resubmitted to PSA?

LOTSOS · November 1, 2018 6:29PM

@BriYo79 said:
How many of those cards will eventually be cracked out and resubmitted to PSA?

Every. Single. One.

craig44 · November 1, 2018 6:37PM

Oh man, how can this end well?

Huskies11 · November 1, 2018 8:24PM

I feel like SGC is trying all the wrong things and ignoring their most basic problems. Which sucks because I'd love for them to be more relevant.

handyman · November 1, 2018 8:56PM

Is'nt this pretty much why grading companies were needed?
Good job SGC can't wait to see what you offer next!? Pay and pick your own grade service, $11,000.00 for an 11?

MrHockey · November 1, 2018 9:11PM

This is what happens when companies get desperate for money.

BriYo79 · November 1, 2018 10:29PM

There's a lot of people, including a few on these boards, with vintage sheets. Whole sheets will likely survive, but partial sheets owned by lesser individuals, will end up getting sliced up for a couple of salvageable gems.

handyman · November 1, 2018 11:18PM

"This is what happens when companies get desperate for money."
They are basically cutting and printing money.

originalisbest · November 2, 2018 6:59AM

This seems like an awfully bad idea. But "great" for collectors of "9s" and "10s".

LarkinCollector · November 2, 2018 7:51AM

I really don't like how hidden the 'Sheet Cut' is on the label. If it were more prominent/obvious, I don't think I'd have as much of an issue with it. There's some sets I collect that were only distributed in sheet form and get a "hand-cut" designation from PSA that a service like this could come in handy for.

Regardless of if a grading company offers this service or not, I think we all know it's happening and sheet cut cards are ending up in top TPG holders. At least this is an attempt at transparency and I'm interested to see price spreads on same grades with and without the Sheet Cut designation.

brad31 · November 2, 2018 8:05AM

I really believe the market will bear a high enough price on designated sheet cut cards that the risk of crack-out and not getting into a non BVG holder will be a deterrent to cracking out. If I read correctly they are only grading those cut themselves as sheet cut.

If it truly is indistinguishable then who cares if their PSA card is sheet cut. You will never know. There are probably already 100s of such cards. If PSA can tell they will not grade and not sure SGC would either. Leaves you only BVG which I bet sells for same or less than sheet cut SGC.

I hope that sheet cut sells at a significant discount. I will buy and enjoy. Would rather have a sheet cut 9 than a factory cut 8. I think the prices on these will surprise people. Only takes two people that don’t care and want a beautiful card to get the price close to par.

As for if it is easy to see on the label - it is a completely different color. I think they are making it very clear it is sheet cut.

LarkinCollector · November 2, 2018 8:28AM

@brad31 said:
As for if it is easy to see on the label - it is a completely different color. I think they are making it very clear it is sheet cut.

Grey vs. black doesn't exactly jump out at you if you're not a regular buyer of SGC cards and the tiny font they used to put 'Sheet Cut' on the label makes it seem like they don't want people to notice. Why not put it in a larger font at the top of the label, centered on the same row 'SGC' is on or a more distinct border color difference? It's an attempt to be deceptive with those who are unaware of what to look for.

Griffins · November 2, 2018 10:57AM

Panama Mutiny · November 2, 2018 11:53AM

i am sure someone has asked them to do it in the past

mccardguy1 · November 2, 2018 6:35PM

I had the same reaction as all of you but I had read on another board that this offer is not just for any card but cards such as Post, Jello and others that were issued in sheet form that were intended to be hand cut by the collector and NOT for cards that were intended to be sold as individual cards. I have not seen confirmation on this information but the example of the Reggie Jackson in an orioles uniform that SGC has used was only a proof card found on initial Topps proof sheets and never made it to packs.

I would hope SGC understands that, to grade any card that is on a sheet but meant to be included in packs would be an incredibly bad blow to a hobby that previously has not accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream.

craig44 · November 3, 2018 4:26AM

That would change my opinion on this fiasco. I don't think I would mind on jello etc. Thanks for the clarification

ReggieCleveland · November 3, 2018 8:21AM

I literally came into this thread solely to post the Fonz jumping the shark gif and @Griffins beat me to it.

Arthur

ReggieCleveland · November 3, 2018 8:24AM

Also, guys, it's for ALL cards. They talk about their goal is to achieve "indistinguishable from factory" cuts. All those oddball Jello and Hostess cards never had factory cuts. What had factory cuts? Cards that went into packs and sets. They're cutting everything and anything a customer wants. They know they'll get cracked out of their holder. They don't care. They just want their cut of money. A desperate move by a desperate company.

hyperchipper09 · November 3, 2018 9:20AM

PatsGuy5000 · November 4, 2018 3:45PM

Anyone have the amount in percentage of card submissions to grading companies? (BGS, PSA, SGC). I have heard PSA is way ahead, but don’t have any data? Thanks

Panama Mutiny · November 5, 2018 6:59AM

@mccardguy1 said:
I had the same reaction as all of you but I had read on another board that this offer is not just for any card but cards such as Post, Jello and others that were issued in sheet form that were intended to be hand cut by the collector and NOT for cards that were intended to be sold as individual cards. I have not seen confirmation on this information but the example of the Reggie Jackson in an orioles uniform that SGC has used was only a proof card found on initial Topps proof sheets and never made it to packs.

I would hope SGC understands that, to grade any card that is on a sheet but meant to be included in packs would be an incredibly bad blow to a hobby that previously has not accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream.

i think the hobby has accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream for awhile

ReggieCleveland · November 5, 2018 8:08AM

@lawyer05 said:

@mccardguy1 said:
I had the same reaction as all of you but I had read on another board that this offer is not just for any card but cards such as Post, Jello and others that were issued in sheet form that were intended to be hand cut by the collector and NOT for cards that were intended to be sold as individual cards. I have not seen confirmation on this information but the example of the Reggie Jackson in an orioles uniform that SGC has used was only a proof card found on initial Topps proof sheets and never made it to packs.

I would hope SGC understands that, to grade any card that is on a sheet but meant to be included in packs would be an incredibly bad blow to a hobby that previously has not accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream.

i think the hobby has accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream for awhile

Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence of this, counselor. The vast majority of opinions I've heard are anti-sheet cut.

Arthur

Panama Mutiny · November 5, 2018 8:19AM

@ReggieCleveland said:

@lawyer05 said:

@mccardguy1 said:
I had the same reaction as all of you but I had read on another board that this offer is not just for any card but cards such as Post, Jello and others that were issued in sheet form that were intended to be hand cut by the collector and NOT for cards that were intended to be sold as individual cards. I have not seen confirmation on this information but the example of the Reggie Jackson in an orioles uniform that SGC has used was only a proof card found on initial Topps proof sheets and never made it to packs.

I would hope SGC understands that, to grade any card that is on a sheet but meant to be included in packs would be an incredibly bad blow to a hobby that previously has not accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream.

i think the hobby has accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream for awhile

Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence of this, counselor. The vast majority of opinions I've heard are anti-sheet cut.

Arthur

But its like brad31 said
There are probably already 100s of such cards. You will never know

Panama Mutiny · November 5, 2018 8:51AM

i hate SGC holders anyways....

hyperchipper09 · November 5, 2018 9:26AM

@lawyer05 said:

@ReggieCleveland said:

@lawyer05 said:

@mccardguy1 said:
I had the same reaction as all of you but I had read on another board that this offer is not just for any card but cards such as Post, Jello and others that were issued in sheet form that were intended to be hand cut by the collector and NOT for cards that were intended to be sold as individual cards. I have not seen confirmation on this information but the example of the Reggie Jackson in an orioles uniform that SGC has used was only a proof card found on initial Topps proof sheets and never made it to packs.

I would hope SGC understands that, to grade any card that is on a sheet but meant to be included in packs would be an incredibly bad blow to a hobby that previously has not accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream.

i think the hobby has accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream for awhile

Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence of this, counselor. The vast majority of opinions I've heard are anti-sheet cut.

Arthur

But its like brad31 said
There are probably already 100s of such cards. You will never know

Thousands. I'm 99% certain my 1984 Topps Darrell Green PSA 10 is sheet cut, and could make a decent argument that I have 12-15 other PSA graded sheet cut cards. I respect people who don't want sheet cut cards making it into PSA holders, there's nothing wrong with that at all. As for me, I don't care. Just not something I worry about.

edit to add Green pic

ReggieCleveland · November 5, 2018 9:33AM

@lawyer05 said:

@ReggieCleveland said:

@lawyer05 said:

@mccardguy1 said:
I had the same reaction as all of you but I had read on another board that this offer is not just for any card but cards such as Post, Jello and others that were issued in sheet form that were intended to be hand cut by the collector and NOT for cards that were intended to be sold as individual cards. I have not seen confirmation on this information but the example of the Reggie Jackson in an orioles uniform that SGC has used was only a proof card found on initial Topps proof sheets and never made it to packs.

I would hope SGC understands that, to grade any card that is on a sheet but meant to be included in packs would be an incredibly bad blow to a hobby that previously has not accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream.

i think the hobby has accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream for awhile

Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence of this, counselor. The vast majority of opinions I've heard are anti-sheet cut.

Arthur

But its like brad31 said
There are probably already 100s of such cards. You will never know

Oh I'm sure. There's probably thousands of trimmed cards in holders too. That doesn't mean we like it or condone it.

Arthur

ReggieCleveland · November 5, 2018 9:37AM

@hyperchipper09 said:

@lawyer05 said:

@ReggieCleveland said:

@lawyer05 said:

@mccardguy1 said:
I had the same reaction as all of you but I had read on another board that this offer is not just for any card but cards such as Post, Jello and others that were issued in sheet form that were intended to be hand cut by the collector and NOT for cards that were intended to be sold as individual cards. I have not seen confirmation on this information but the example of the Reggie Jackson in an orioles uniform that SGC has used was only a proof card found on initial Topps proof sheets and never made it to packs.

I would hope SGC understands that, to grade any card that is on a sheet but meant to be included in packs would be an incredibly bad blow to a hobby that previously has not accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream.

i think the hobby has accepted sheet cut cards into the mainstream for awhile

Yeah, I haven't seen any evidence of this, counselor. The vast majority of opinions I've heard are anti-sheet cut.

Arthur

But its like brad31 said
There are probably already 100s of such cards. You will never know

Thousands. I'm 99% certain my 1984 Topps Darrell Green PSA 10 is sheet cut, and could make a decent argument that I have 12-15 other PSA graded sheet cut cards. I respect people who don't want sheet cut cards making it into PSA holders, there's nothing wrong with that at all. As for me, I don't care. Just not something I worry about.

edit to add Green pic

Hey, I'm all for people collecting however they want to collect and I in no way mean to imply that my opinion should impinge on the way anyone else collects. I'm totally cool with someone collecting sheet cut cards. I just think what we're talking about here goes WAY beyond the way anyone chooses to collect and into a much larger, more hobby-impactful issue.

Arthur

SGC grading sheet cut cards

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