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Causes of 'spoiled' slabs?

logger7logger7 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

Here is a type II gold dollar that I sent to NGC for their "appearance review", which they honored running it by their main finalizer and putting it through conservation:

Is it so hard to catch these issues which develop later?

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Send it back to get fixed.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely, they need to do it right. Let us know the outcome. Peace Roy

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was asking about how they would have missed it to begin with as substance doesn't just "happen". M.S. agreed there was an issue and had it conserved.

  • philographerphilographer Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you have “after” photos?

    He who knows he has enough is rich.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2018 10:13PM

    I have a Saint like that in a PCGS slab.
    It looks like there is mold growing on the coin when held at an low angle.
    I'll see if I can get a picture.

    My guess is water/humidity.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was shipped out yesterday, image isn't up yet.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is my conservation candidate...Can't see it much from straight on.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would be interested to know if the substance was identified...That would give good indication if it could be detected earlier. Did you ask for this information? Cheers, RickO

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    I was asking about how they would have missed it to begin with as substance doesn't just "happen". M.S. agreed there was an issue and had it conserved.

    Correct, "it doesn't just happen." However, putty, PVC, and other contaminants are often not obvious when a coin is first graded. Appearance changes over time.

    Witness the slime we see when a dipped coin is not properly rinsed. It looked fine originally. As PVC contamination ages it becomes more obvious. Putty changes color and texture over time. Even verdigris grows larger and brighter in color.

    No doubt the TPG's occasionally miss something they shouldn't have. But my guess is the great majority of these issues could not be perceived at grading.
    Lance.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the large volume of certification they do, what are probably regarded as minor issues to the well trained human eye can develop over long periods of time even without environmental deterioration (humidity, light, temps). I have not had a presumably doctored coin not finally dip out with a straight grade, which shows that they do catch virtually all real problems.

  • tyler267tyler267 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭✭

    Not sure if they still use it but a while ago PCGS announced they were using a "sniffer" to identify doctored coins. I thought it made sense, it has to be next to impossible for the human eye to pick up everything while grading, especially if putty or or chemicals were applied by a person who knows what they are doing. I know this is coin is in an older NGC older.

  • tyler267tyler267 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭✭

    I googled it the coin PCGS coin sniffer was announced in 2010, doesn't seem that long ago, I'm getting old.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I found some spoiled slabs in the back of my refrigerator -- next to 3-year old green yogurt and what might have been a cucumber.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    I found some spoiled slabs in the back of my refrigerator -- next to 3-year old green yogurt and what might have been a cucumber.

    Add some eggs plus ham and you’ll have yourself a meal. :D

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yum! Just like Grandma used to make !

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ReadyFireAim said:
    Here is my conservation candidate...Can't see it much from straight on.

    Big Secret: Many types of chemically altered surface alterations can be detected using florescent light (and others). I've used this type of light at every place I've worked. At NGC I was the only authenticator/grader allowed to use it in combination with my stereo scope. :) Good move by them!

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 24,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @ReadyFireAim said:
    Here is my conservation candidate...Can't see it much from straight on.

    Big Secret: Many types of chemically altered surface alterations can be detected using florescent light (and others). I've used this type of light at every place I've worked. At NGC I was the only authenticator/grader allowed to use it in combination with my stereo scope. :) Good move by them!

    That looks like PVC to me.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got the coin back, better luster than before:

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we get images similar to those in the OP for comparison?
    Lance.

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