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Black Hole the size of a Nickel

ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 26, 2018 10:39PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Someone asked what would happen to and if a Black Hole the size of a nickel suddenly appears in our pocket (or earth)?

Supposed a nickel in your pocket magically collapsed into the Black Hole....
........ a US nickel has a mass of 5 grams would be converted to 450 terajoules of energy which is comparable to the denotation of about 100.000 tonnes of TNT explosion ......

Bigger than.....
Well ..... what I want to say is......

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2018 9:25AM

    Updated 10/27 to add : Please NO NEED to response; I just realized there already a Thread for the same purpose

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes ..... so you better get it out of your pocket ;)

    @Aspie_Rocco said:
    Did someone say nickel? ;)

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    Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dats alotta bang for a nickel

    Steve

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, imagine if it were a 5oz ATB, what damage that would cause !!! ;)

    Timbuk3
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    drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭

    @OldEastside said:
    Dats alotta bang for a nickel

    Steve

    +1

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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm a little fuzzy on this whole thing,
    is the actual singularity the size of a nickel or is the event horizon the size of a nickel?

    Just curious

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound ... Is that a blue pearl in your second post? Found while diving?? ;) Cheers, RickO

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 24,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This post certainly has gravity.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes Welcome back @Insider2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2018 4:00AM

    It appears that NASA agrees with the size being that of a 5 Cent piece :smile:

    Supermassive Black Hole Consumes a Star (NASA's Newest Simulation)

    https://youtu.be/1r3GCirDBvI
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    jafo50jafo50 Posts: 331 ✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound Glad to see your old avatar is back. Didn't particularly care for the Blue Dot.

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jafo50 said:
    @Paradisefound Glad to see your old avatar is back. Didn't particularly care for the Blue Dot.

    Actually, she was trying to have us gift her this ..... :):DB)o:)>:)

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In any case, you want to stay away, far far away, from ANY black hole. And especially keep one out of your pocket.

    Welcome back insider2. May your return be slightly less explosive than a nickel sized black hole appearing in your pocket.


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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2018 5:31PM

    The Blue Dot was symbolic of "I am with her him" with @Insider2 upon his return <3

    ......and now you go ahead participate in the contest B) ends this coming Saturday

    @jafo50 said:
    @Paradisefound Glad to see your old avatar is back. Didn't particularly care for the Blue Dot.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you originally started the ball rolling to get me and the others back on to CU in a reasonable amount of time.
    Thanks <3

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "I am with her them" ...... rather <3<3<3<3<3

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2018 5:52PM

    @Paradisefound said:
    Updated 10/27 to add : Please NO NEED to response; I just realized there already a Thread for the same purpose

    Oh yes there IS a reason to respond.
    You MUST read the novel, "Earth" by David Brin.
    It's a real page-turner even though it's not a new book.
    A black hole gets loose and what happens is a mess. Exciting as hell. B)

    One of the best reads you'll ever have. :):):):)

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf
    I'll get my kindle going B)

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    savitalesavitale Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, I know you didn't ask but this is vaguely related to what I do for a living. Black holes have a lifetime proportional to the cube of their mass. A black hole with a mass of 5 grams would last for about 1E-23 or 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds. So if you had one in your pocket, you wouldn't have to worry about losing anything important due to gravity. Other than your nickel.

    Now, how you choose to handle the terajoules of radiation in your pocket ... that's a different matter entirely.

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL & Luving it <3

    @savitale said:
    OK, I know you didn't ask but this is vaguely related to what I do for a living. Black holes have a lifetime proportional to the cube of their mass. A black hole with a mass of 5 grams would last for about 1E-23 or 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds. So if you had one in your pocket, you wouldn't have to worry about losing anything important due to gravity. Other than your nickel.

    Now, how you choose to handle the terajoules of radiation in your pocket ... that's a different matter entirely.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @savitale said:
    OK, I know you didn't ask but this is vaguely related to what I do for a living. Black holes have a lifetime proportional to the cube of their mass. A black hole with a mass of 5 grams would last for about 1E-23 or 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds. So if you had one in your pocket, you wouldn't have to worry about losing anything important due to gravity. Other than your nickel.

    Now, how you choose to handle the terajoules of radiation in your pocket ... that's a different matter entirely.

    OK, you started this. Where would the mass come from? Does the hole have an end?

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Simulation of gravitational lensing by a black hole, which distorts the image of a galaxy behind it

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. A black hole with the mass of a nickel would cause an explosion 3x bigger than both atomic bombs combined.

    2. A black hole as wide as a nickel would have slightly more mass than Earth.

    3. A black hole with the radius of a nickel (10mm) would destroy the Earth and draw the moon into an elliptical orbit.

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2018 9:20PM

    <3

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2018 9:17PM

    BTW I do know they evaporate ......

    The microscopic black hole would evaporate within a fractions of seconds, but,
    .....it is estimated that a black hole with the mass of our SUN
    ...... would take 10^67 years to evaporate - that's a 1 followed by SIXTY-SEVEN ZEROS

    @Insider2 said
    OK, you started this. Where would the mass come from? Does the hole have an end?

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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Be hard to get close enough to measure it? What if it was out of Mint specifications?

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    BJandTundraBJandTundra Posts: 402 ✭✭✭✭

    If the nickel size black hole was a DDO would it be any more valuable?

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suppose ..... it would give you a ripple affects? ;)

    @BJandTundra said:
    If the nickel size black hole was a DDO would it be any more valuable?

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    BJandTundraBJandTundra Posts: 402 ✭✭✭✭

    Oh great. Now we will have a bunch of threads asking if the nickel size black hole they found in their pocket is a real DDO or PMD. ....Sorry, its late here.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just added the Kindle version to my phone. Thanks for the tip @topstuf


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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,928 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "All this science, I don't understand."

    Pls don't try to slip some learning past me disguised as a discussion about nickels. :D

    I'll take your word on all the Black Hole stuff. All those huge #s make it seem like science fiction.

    At times my US coin collection has been a Black Hole, sucking up all the $ it can and making them disappear.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @savitale said:
    OK, I know you didn't ask but this is vaguely related to what I do for a living. Black holes have a lifetime proportional to the cube of their mass. A black hole with a mass of 5 grams would last for about 1E-23 or 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds. So if you had one in your pocket, you wouldn't have to worry about losing anything important due to gravity. Other than your nickel.

    Now, how you choose to handle the terajoules of radiation in your pocket ... that's a different matter entirely.

    But suffice it to say you're not going to be having any more kids.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @savitale said:
    OK, I know you didn't ask but this is vaguely related to what I do for a living. Black holes have a lifetime proportional to the cube of their mass. A black hole with a mass of 5 grams would last for about 1E-23 or 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds. So if you had one in your pocket, you wouldn't have to worry about losing anything important due to gravity. Other than your nickel.

    Now, how you choose to handle the terajoules of radiation in your pocket ... that's a different matter entirely.

    Where does the mass come from? Is it inside the hole? On the hole's rim?

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2018 10:01AM

    Your question seems to refer to diameter ("size" or the event horizon) not mass. If that is correct, the black hole would rapidly absorb our little solar system....including nickels with a mass of 5-grams. (The hole's mass would be about 2 suns. An accretion disc of about 8,000 km would immediately form and expand to 75,000 km within 10 seconds; expansion would continue until the new binary system became gravitationally stabilized. The black hole's gravity would perturb the orbits of everything in the solar system as it and our sun fall toward each other. A close binary would form and consume all the inner planets, but Jupiter and the outer planets would likely be thrown out of the system to become unobservable matter.)

    Now, about the nickel in you pocket.... ;)

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is how it all works so quit talking about it now.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said: "Your question seems to refer to diameter ("size" or the event horizon) not mass."

    NOPE. @Insider asked: Where does the mass come from because of this:

    @savitale said: "A black hole with a MASS of 5 grams...

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2018 2:22PM

    OK. I only took the OP's first statement as defining size.... Since a theoretical black hole can have any mass equal or greater than Planck mass (about 2.2×10−8 kg) the nickel could exist. But it appears that the minimum black hole mass - based on present understanding of neutron star to black hole - is about 2.2 suns. (No number is given for daughters, but they are inscrutable anyway so are part of quantum magnetohydrodynamics.) :)

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    savitalesavitale Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    Where does the mass come from? Is it inside the hole? On the hole's rim?

    Where do you think all those pennies go that were supposedly minted for circulation?

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like someone is making up "unsearched" wheat bags for TV shoppers. LOL. Three scoops of 50's, one scoop of 40's, a handfull of 30's and 20's, 6 steels, some teens, and one 1909 VDB. Been there done that.

    PS I was serious about the mass question.

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    ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am afraid I may have to send the book to read.....way too much to post :#
    ....and beside there are several theories so the bottom line is ..... the hole will eat us all up in one gulp >:)

    @Insider2 said:
    Looks like someone is making up "unsearched" wheat bags for TV shoppers. LOL. Three scoops of 50's, one scoop of 40's, a handfull of 30's and 20's, 6 steels, some teens, and one 1909 VDB. Been there done that.

    PS I was serious about the mass question.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll look up black hole on Google. I always thought that something became so heavy that it collapsed into itself to form a "hole."

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 1, 2018 10:08PM

    Skip,@insider2, hang tight. We will have the answer shortly.

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