What am I missing on this 1883 Shield Nickel (MS63 sold for $900)

dbldie55 · October 10, 2018 9:21AM

As I was watching the auction, this lot went from $100 to $900 in a flash. At least 2 people really wanted this. Is this some type of variety (83/2 perhaps)?

cmerlo1 · October 10, 2018 9:23AM

Might be one of the lesser 3/2 varieties. I see something in the 3.

OldEastside · October 10, 2018 9:36AM

@cmerlo1 said:
Might be one of the lesser 3/2 varieties. I see something in the 3.

Gotta agree...........I see something too

Steve

KollectorKing · October 10, 2018 9:43AM

291fifth · October 10, 2018 10:33AM

Somebody is buried.

Namvet69 · October 10, 2018 10:37AM

Peekaboo I see you, break out the usb microscope. Peace Roy

jdimmick · October 10, 2018 10:40AM

Buried " sure is, because I had one like this, and unless the correct die, they wont assign it the overdate 3/2

RogerB · October 10, 2018 10:58AM

RE: "What am I missing on this 1883 Shield Nickel (MS63 sold for $900)."

You are missing nothing. The buyer is missing $900.00.

jmlanzaf · October 10, 2018 12:22PM

Could we hear from a Shield Nickel specialist rather than a bunch of Negative Nellies?

It's very hard to tell from the photo above or even my own enlargement of the Heritage photo, but that could be an FS-013.2 (FS-303)

shieldnickels.net/1883_2/fs013_2.html

jmlanzaf · October 10, 2018 12:24PM

@jdimmick said:
Buried " sure is, because I had one like this, and unless the correct die, they wont assign it the overdate 3/2

It doesn't matter to a specialist if it is one of the lesser varieties whether PCGS certifies it or not.

291fifth · October 10, 2018 12:25PM

@jmlanzaf said:
Could we hear from a Shield Nickel specialist rather than a bunch of Negative Nellies?

It's very hard to tell from the photo above or even my own enlargement of the Heritage photo, but that could be an FS-013.2 (FS-303)

shieldnickels.net/1883_2/fs013_2.html

If you have that much magnification and still have to wonder about it ...

jmlanzaf · October 10, 2018 12:38PM

@291fifth said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Could we hear from a Shield Nickel specialist rather than a bunch of Negative Nellies?

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If you have that much magnification and still have to wonder about it ...

It's not GOOD magnification. It's a full slab photo not a photo of the date alone.
There are plenty of varieties that only series specialists even recognize. Heck, there are some Lincoln varieties that I can't see even when I know I have one and it's in my hand.
Not every variety is valuable. But there are some "unknown" varieties that are quite valuable to series specialists.

I'm NOT a shield nickel specialist. But 2 people thought it may be something. I would also point out that David Lawrence coins sold a raw AU58 of The FS013.2 variety for $1500 a few years back. That one is characterized by the die crack, but pre-crack coins are known and this could be one of them.

Aspie_Rocco · October 10, 2018 2:06PM

@jmlanzaf said:
Could we hear from a Shield Nickel specialist...

It's very hard to tell from the photo above or even my own enlargement of the Heritage photo, but that could be an FS-013.2 (FS-303)

shieldnickels.net/1883_2/fs013_2.html

I’m not a specialist but I have studied these in my leisure. It looks a lot like a well struck FS 303 as quoted above. I would bet $900 on it. It’s worth $1500-$2000 and it is an early die state. The details around the date and trust are a dead giveaway and the broken lower loop on. The left thing. See Pics. I have a loose arrangement to hunt shield varieties for Kurt of the KCV sets (#1 in a few nickel categories)

Aspie_Rocco · October 10, 2018 2:51PM

I am 100% certain it is an unattributed FS303
I’ll prove it with this known attributed example compare all circled areas for breaks, die scratches, weaknesses or extra strength. The brightness of the Pcgs image obscures the stand out deatils around the date.
The long north west die scratch from I of IN extends down to touch the shield near the annulet

Roccout

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jmlanzaf · October 10, 2018 3:13PM

@Aspie_Rocco said:
I am 100% certain it is an unattributed FS303
I’ll prove it with this known attributed example compare all circled areas for breaks, die scratches, weaknesses or extra strength. The brightness of the Pcgs image obscures the stand out deatils around the date.
The long north west die scratch from I of IN extends down to touch the shield near the annule

Roccout

.

Wow. Fascinating. Thanks for the information. Very informative.

Aspie_Rocco · October 10, 2018 3:33PM

@jdimmick said:
Buried " sure is, because I had one like this, and unless the correct die, they wont assign it the overdate 3/2

Encourage them to get me an internship on the attribution team at Pcgs!
I have asked Don before with no luck and I have no credibility since no one in the industry knows me. I spot more varieties than I can afford to buy, and my only limits are financial or access to material to search.
Apologies if I sound overconfident.

jdimmick · October 10, 2018 4:21PM

No,
I am impressed, great attribution. PCGS needs some help in varities, I don't send that many, but did have this exact shield while back, and they would not attribute it for me. A customer of mine, is an expert in buffalo nickels varities, L fletcher, he has me submit to them all the time for him, 1/2 the time they don't attribute them correctly, and he has to get them on the horn and have me send them back in for second time, in which case they usually fix em.

TwoSides2aCoin · October 10, 2018 4:32PM

Well the attribution explains what I was missing. Thanks , you all. Who can remember all the varieties ? The spice of life.

howards · October 10, 2018 5:25PM

It is FS-303 1883/2. It is an early die stage, so it lacks the usually seen confirming die crack under the 1.

PCGS will slab this with an attribution (if you pay the attribution fee). The variety appears in CPG, and PCGS will attribute all CPG varieties.

ricko · October 11, 2018 7:34AM

While initially, I did not think it was the FS variety, based on the above inputs, I do believe it now. Someone got a good one.... Cheers, RickO

What am I missing on this 1883 Shield Nickel (MS63 sold for $900)

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