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  • 1Bufffan1Bufffan Posts: 672 ✭✭✭✭

    MS63-64

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ms63

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is the first 1913 TY-1 I've seen that totally exhibits part of the reason why the reverse was smoothed out by Charles Barber.

    In addition to the early wear on the denomination, the coin exhibits small die cracks everywhere from a die that started to fail as it tried to render the "pebbled" field. The Buffalo reverse was very hard on dies, with a whole lot of micro cracking going on.

    The coin looks uncirculated to me, even with what looks like wear on the obverse around the cheek and central details.

    No apparent wear shows on the hip and split tail, but the tail itself is flat to the body. This is very common.

    It can be difficult to grade encapsulated coins in holders because of the inherent problems some slabs show, with clouding from rub in certain areas which can obscure the coin.

    I'll take a stab at it and say it is an MS-64.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess 64.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63.

  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭

    63/58

    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
    rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    63.

    Also my assessment based on the pics

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,581 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the 63 camp too...

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 to me

    Collector, occasional seller

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Surprise

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are there things we are seeing that are on the holder that perhaps we thought were hits on the coin itself?

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hallco said:
    Are there things we are seeing that are on the holder that perhaps we thought were hits on the coin itself?

    You decide from these bigger pics

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, looks to have good color too! What looked like contact marks must have just been on the slab.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 9, 2018 5:09AM

    1913 type one pcgs ms65 buffs are a great type coin. If you search carefully you can find really nice upper end coins from early dies and these puppies look much like the matte proofs. I would avoid the mid and late die state coins which lack the full detail of the dies. I once saw a really ugly 13 ty 1 buff that pcgs had graded ms65. I would have given it no more than an ms60. So be careful!!

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Take a look at this puppy which is for sale on eBay right now by coast to coast coins.....
    This is the kind of 13 type one you want to own, full detail, early die state, and top of the grade.
    I really like ms65 and ms66 grades.

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    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :o I would not have guessed 65.....more like 63... Guess I better brush up on these...Cheers, RickO

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    :o I would not have guessed 65.....more like 63... Guess I better brush up on these...Cheers, RickO

    rico
    lately I have seen no end of slabbed buffs by “Hertz” and “Avis” that appear to be overgradedd. Some with big hits and scratches or carbon spots on coins graded above 65 that I would not grade higher than 64.

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