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Is there a "deep state" in the coin world?

DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
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...and how do you get initiated into it ??

Doug
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  • SilverProofQuarter1883SilverProofQuarter1883 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What do you mean by deep state???

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there a "deep state" in the coin world...and how do you get initiated into it ??

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Buy John Albanese dinner...

    I have never seen anything to suggest that John has been anything other than completely forthright and transparent - certainly nothing clandestine.

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    Is there a "deep state" in the coin world...and how do you get initiated into it ??

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Buy John Albanese dinner...

    I have never seen anything to suggest that John has been anything other than completely forthright and transparent - certainly nothing clandestine.

    That’s just what he wants you to think. ;)

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sooo....is John one of those transparent fish or frogs....? Never knew....just never knew.

    Maybe he means a "deep state of ignorance?"

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know what I mean. A state within a state. A group that quietly works the system to their advantage, and do not like disruptors. CAC was actually a disruptor a decade ago. Could there be two deep states here? We've certainly seen lines drawn. >:)

    Doug
  • tyler267tyler267 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭✭

    @DMWJR said:
    You know what I mean. A state within a state. A group that quietly works the system to their advantage, and do not like disruptors. CAC was actually a disruptor a decade ago. Could there be two deep states here? We've certainly seen lines drawn. >:)

    Thanks for clarifying I was a little confused before.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 31, 2018 6:00PM

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Me neither at this point.

    Maybe we will hear some fun new coin conspiracy theories. :D This forum needs an active thread with a little entertainment right about now.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did, however, talk on the phone today.

  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...mmm deep dish pizza...I’ll try a couple so send plates, parm & crushed red wit the pies please ;)

  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Does the "Circle of Trust" on this forum count as deep state? ;)

    YES! If the COT is still functioning, it has just gone deeper. What's a Friday night and weekend without a good conspiracy thread?

    PCGS was a disruptor in 1986, CAC 20 years later (and there are some common denominators there).

    IMO, the deep state is responsible for the current drop in interest and prices of coins. What's going to be the next disruptor?

    Doug
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Does the "Circle of Trust" on this forum count as deep state? ;)

    Perhaps the NDS (Numismatic Deep State) controls the Circle of Trust™ without the Circle even knowing it.

    NDS™

    Doug
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are definitely people in the coin business who exert a surprising amount of influence, both publicly and behind the scenes, but I wouldn't characterize the coin business in conspiratorial tones - it's mostly zero-sum thinkers just trying to hang onto what they've got.


    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of course there is. They even have a password...BTBBTC.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Of course there is. They even have a password...BTBBTC.

    To which the countersign is RTFB.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Instead of a special counsel you get a special grader to investigate NGC collusion.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm afraid to chime in. I might get axed!

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 31, 2018 7:31PM

    I'm obviously a coinsheep because I don't know what the code letters are for the NDS™

    I'm really more interested in what is going to disrupt the state of coinflation and other factors that are depressing the hobby. Slabs did it to the ONDS™, CAC did it to SNDS™, so who or what is going to be next to take us to the next iteration of bettering our hobby?

    Doug
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 31, 2018 7:10PM

    I had always figured the doctoring community was part of the NDS. This is why they can do what they do and be untouchables.

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins coin doctors are a necessary part of the NDS™. What if all coins were undoctored and grades were obvious?

    Doug
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    I had always figured the doctoring community was part of the NDS. This is why they can do what they do and be untouchables.

    That's not the deep state. It's just greed - one of the cornerstones of human nature.


    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DMWJR said:
    @Zoins coin doctors are a necessary part of the NDS™. What if all coins were undoctored and grades were obvious?

    @Regulated said:

    @Zoins said:
    I had always figured the doctoring community was part of the NDS. This is why they can do what they do and be untouchables.

    That's not the deep state. It's just greed - one of the cornerstones of human nature.

    Two very interesting perspectives.

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I came for the comments. Have a great Labor day weekend!

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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The more I think about it, the more it occurs to me that we probably ought to call it the Numismatic Shallow State™.


    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 10,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm off to a "deep state" of sleep. ;)

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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Collusion is the key :wink:

    Doug
  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, I'm sure there is a grand global conspiricy to ruin my life.

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They're the reason cents still get (and will always get) struck.

    The Nickel Deep State is gaining traction too...

    Hey! Even paranoids have enemies! :wink:

  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you don't know about the secret handshake and the knowing wink as you pass another member of the NDS, then I'm afraid you are outside of the ICOT. If you were a member, you'd be invited to the annual Bilderberg meeting to partake in consuming Gurkha Black Dragons and Macallan while discussing sniffer and the next steps that will be taken to maintain control of the future NDS. this years highlight will be voting in two open seats for control of the Chinese and European markets. Attendance requires a dinner jacket and swimwear. Please do attend.

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This message will self destruct in five seconds..... Peace Roy

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  • chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭

    I always considered anything south or west of Boston ....deep state

  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm Sure there is. Those that can track a 64-D Peace dollar and 33 $20 gold B)

    Pocketpiececommemoratives

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I might get in major trouble for sharing this...

    However here's the groups secret hand shake :p

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGaZGHsKcCM

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Deep State

    https://youtu.be/khsxCn-H8IQ

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys are suffering from being in an...

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you haven't received "the coin", anything they tell you is just a ruse.

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have been in deep doo doo a few times... it was a terrible state of affairs...However, I extricated myself, and now walk proudly, above the detritus of mortals. Cheers, RickO

  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bubba says, Seriously? How many times have we said, WE DON’T TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC!

    Collector of randomness. Photographer at PCGS. Lover of Harry Potter.

  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now you have to wear the hat...

    Collector of randomness. Photographer at PCGS. Lover of Harry Potter.

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