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Wow ..... lets Make a FAKE ERROR on a Real Mint Error Coin
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I do not know IF the seller knows it is a fake, but it most certainly is.
Be careful out there.
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Double strucked?
No Fake.
In fantasy land, it would be a Double (obverse and reverse, one on each side) Brockage on Off Center Cent (fake) Error
It is a vise / press / hammer Job.
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Please tell us how it was done and the sequence the faker went through to make it look like this.
Please keep it simple. So...the counterfeiter started with this _________________ error, and then...
THANKS!!!
School me here... I know absolutely nothing about these sorts of errors. Thanks in advance...
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It’s a sandwich. An off center error was put between two normal cents and then pressure was applied to create the inverse impressions, whether by a vise, hammer or some other means.
The easiest way would be with a hydraulic press.
Take A real off center cent.
Take two regular struck cents.
Line the two regular cents on each side of the unstruck area of the off center cent and put in the press.
Push button.
Thanks. I'm not questioning either of you but how come the crescent edge of the genuine off-center strike does not show an indent (damage) from the rims of the two other coins that were squeezed into it to make a more impressive fake error?
Not enough pressure on the fake brockage
Do you think that was done on purpose so it would not damage the "crescent" on the genuine error or were they lucky.
They weren't lucky as it is almost impossible to fake true mint errors.
I was commenting on the grammer, should have been double struck.
Interesting and disgusting at the same time.
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100% disagree. Please see PM.
As for the coin you posted, you know it is a fake. My question is still important to me to resolve. We were not there when this fake was made. It makes sense that there was not enough pressure yet I cannot imagine that NO TRACE of contact from the alteration shows on the Crescent of the off-center.
I'll need to buy an off-center cent and make one of these to confirm it can be done w/o leaving the indents. Thanks.
pretty moronic conman ruining a decent error coin, hopefully most people who collect error types understand the process of how they come to be
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Please post your results. We've had a number of people try things and post there results - it's always been informative.
It's OK if you hold it up to a mirror and view the reflection.
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Didn't we do this before?
Honestly, it is exhausting.
How about this way to approach mint error coins ......
It has to make sense on how the error was created at the US mint.
Almost all major mint errors are Simple to explain.
so I ask how could this have happened at the mint?
.... It could not because the mint dies have a heck of a lot more pressure than what this fake area was struck with. AND, super excess pressure because of the three coins struck together.
No way, no how it's a real brockage.
If I were making this in the shop, I would have ground an arc on both donor coins so as not to impede the edge of the genuine error coin. Put it in the press and smash.
Obvious hammer job. What a dumb thing to do.
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It is an economic thing. Take an $8 (?) off-center and alter it for more $$$. Take a 1944-D 1c and alter it to a 14-D for more $$$.
Simply read the USmint process and you will understand why.
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Here is a single brockage on a multi-error coin.
Pressure from the two coins cause a deep brockage with so much pressure that it split the planchet
The original coin looks like a vice job to me.
Interesting thread! Is the process you described also responsible for the inverse date on the obverse?
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Yes
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PM Me and I will send this to you for the sake of experimentation
I found it 'roll searching' , years ago
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He closed the first auction but just relisted it so I updated the first link.
Maybe he does know.
here it is again ...
https://ebay.com/itm/LINCOLN-CENT-DOUBLE-STRUCK-OFF-CENTER-BLAZING-RED-COPPER-US-ERROR-COIN/183403934504?hash=item2ab3b9f328:g:EOcAAOSwEBRbhYkj
Oh, he knows ... another listing .... different coin
https://ebay.com/itm/2009-U-S-PENNY-DOUBLE-STRUCKED-ON-BOTH-SIDES-RARE-BU/183402577124?hash=item2ab3a53ce4:g:jJEAAOSwUZZbhJoQ
Thanks. but that error is a keeper to be handed down in your family as you actually found it. I've got some cheap off-centers around and a vice. LOL.
He changed it again and relsited ....
Report this asshat ....
https://ebay.com/itm/U-S-LINCOLN-CENT-19XX-DOUBLE-STRUCK-BLAZING-COPPER/183405220392?hash=item2ab3cd9228:g:AZYAAOSwdZdbhgqW
https://ebay.com/itm/WASHINGTON-U-S-PENNY-DOUBLE-STRUCKED-ON-BOTH-SIDES-2009-RARE-BU/183402577124?hash=item2ab3a53ce4:g:jJEAAOSwUZZbhJoQ
Interesting discussion... If I had come across the listing, I would have thought it fake as well... but good to hear the expert opinion (@ErrorsOnCoins)...The coins in vise method has shown up here a few times over the years.... Cheers, RickO
he should change his ebay handle to Have Vise Will Squeeze
Reverse definitely appears incuse. It's a shame someone deliberately ruined this error coin...makes you wonder how many other legitimate errors have been altered like this for extra $$$$.
This.
Wouldn't you have to cut out the crescent on your "die coin"? The off-center strike is a high point on one side of the coin and you'd have to get some pressure on it from the sandwich, wouldn't you? Or is that an optical illusion and the off-center strike is actually lower on both sides?
Edited to add: Actually, I'm coming around to optical illusion. I looked at the other pictures in the listing and some of them appear to be bent the other way.
I have no idea as I don't alter coins except to clean them. I wonder if the guys who make these things in their garage are that smart. I'm going to try to make one.
No, not enough pressure as stated above.
LOOK at the real example that I posted and imagine even more excessive pressure with three coins instead on two.
Actually, if you could make an actual "bowtie fantastic" error, many of the board regulars would love to buy one.
As I say, I think it was an optical illusion. The coin photo looked like the off-center strike was above the surface of the coin. In other photos, it was clearly incuse.
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Here is another example.
This is two blank planchets next to each other on the same side of a third planchet that was the struck by the Lincoln dies causing a ...
Double Chain Struck Indents and Broadstruck with a Split Planchet Error .... Notice the effect of excessive pressure ....
I disagree. It's not an obvious hammer job. I've taken three cents, stacked together on an anvil, and smacked them together with a 15 lb sledge, ball peen, and other hammers. You just can't get that even of a pressed look with hammers. Maybe a vice, which could be controlled more.
I didn't catch that the rim wasn't embossed into the error until you mentioned it. It would seem, that even though a lot of the rim would be over the original strike, so it wouldn't be high enough to touch, the area on each side should.