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CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

Now below $1200/oz. Anybody changing their mindset towards it or are you still buying like mad? I think if I had the money I'd be buying it up.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    SPLUNGE!

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    coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    probably get another interest rate hike again next month. maybe go to the bank and lock in a 1.8 :p percent cd

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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,509 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Last chance at these prices!!!

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    I want bitcoin! Something solid, simple, and foolproof. :)

    Wouldn't you rather buy some ocean front property in Arizona? >:)

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2018 12:50PM

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @topstuf said:
    I want bitcoin! Something solid, simple, and foolproof. :)

    Wouldn't you rather buy some ocean front property in Arizona? >:)

    Or a bridge :smile:

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said: "Or a bridge."

    Not that one! :p

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The strength of the US Dollar also isn't helping it very much.

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinpalice said:
    probably get another interest rate hike again next month. maybe go to the bank and lock in a 1.8 :p percent cd

    You can presently get 3% online.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinpalice said:
    probably get another interest rate hike again next month. maybe go to the bank and lock in a 1.8 :p percent cd

    I wouldn't bet on that. The Fed wants 2% inflation, and if the dollar continues to strengthen and the interest rates increase, the resulting lower supply of money could result in deflation or at least a much lower rate of inflation.

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    ernie11ernie11 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So is silver.

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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OUCH !!!

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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder what 2018 silver eagles are going for right now. I still need a few...

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Mike1 said:

    @coinpalice said:
    probably get another interest rate hike again next month. maybe go to the bank and lock in a 1.8 :p percent cd

    You can presently get 3% online.

    Or 1.95% in a high yield money market with instant access just in case you find that deal you can't resist.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good. High gold prices don't really help coin collecting as a hobby - they merely prevent many from becoming interested in US gold coins and varieties.

    Bullion buyers know from the beginning they are paying only for a commodity and accept volatility risk up front.

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Forgot, this thread is about the price of gold. This might be a good opportunity to pull the trigger at the BRNA show in Dalton at the end of the month, or not.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    This will definitely affect the mood at the ANA Show.

    ... and it won't be positive.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tommy44 said:

    @1Mike1 said:

    @coinpalice said:
    probably get another interest rate hike again next month. maybe go to the bank and lock in a 1.8 :p percent cd

    You can presently get 3% online.

    Or 1.95% in a high yield money market with instant access just in case you find that deal you can't resist.

    Glad you said, "money market" because 1.95% wouldn't get ME to commit for more than a week on anything like a bond or CD.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:

    @Insider2 said:
    This will definitely affect the mood at the ANA Show.

    ... and it won't be positive.

    This USED to be S.O.P. as I recall. Every big show was preceded by a precipitous drop in "the metals."

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm drooling at the thought of raw BU St Gaudens on an ebay special at the same time of a bonus ebay bucks. That would let me pick some up for under $1,100 right now!

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is more interesting me me is that gold is off in euro terms, dollar terms and even sterling.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, so what? It's BARBAROUS!

    Like Streisand.

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's on sale right now, like many collectible coins. :)

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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coinflation has silver below 15 and gold below 1200 at 5:35 EST.

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When solid companies such as AT&T have a dividend yield of 6.20% -- and preferential tax rates -- why bother with a bank CD except for the emergency cash?

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    ARCOARCO Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a hedge against regular inflation and a dead asset. It works well when you currency goes into hyperinflation, or, for collectors who just love the metal (like me), but not something I ever "invest" in.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like PM's as insurance, right now cheap insurance. It just stopped dropping, for now.

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    BustyPotatoBustyPotato Posts: 81 ✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:
    I'm drooling at the thought of raw BU St Gaudens on an ebay special at the same time of a bonus ebay bucks. That would let me pick some up for under $1,100 right now!

    I am pretty sure that bullion does not qualify for eBay Bucks unfortunately!

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... I may actually be able to do the gold page of my type set!!

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    BustyPotatoBustyPotato Posts: 81 ✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Wow... I may actually be able to do the gold page of my type set!!

    That is what I am excited about getting BU common date $20 pieces for my set!

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't claim any superior knowledge about the PM markets or think I'm smarter than anyone else, but every time I talk about the price going down I get harangued by certain members. in the current state of the World in general, the US Political climate and the way manufacturing markets are shifting, these prices don't surprise me. if we don't wise up and figure out that Isolationism isn't the way to go, that things are moving more towards being Global, the Nation is in trouble. the U.S.A. has strengths that are unmatched in the World, that is what we should focus on instead of causing havoc in markets with our trade policies and petty Political rivalries.

    strangely, on Saturday at the end of work we were talking and I made my bold prediction...............................
    Gold --- under $1200.
    Silver --- under $15.
    Platinum --- under $800.

    ................................all at about the same time as Palladium goes over $1000!!! :)

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    bestdaybestday Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    I want bitcoin! Something solid, simple, and foolproof. :)

    lol...... crash down by oct 1st

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    Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You can all thank me for the price drop. I purchased a giant lot of silver Sunday.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    Coinflation has silver below 15 and gold below 1200 at 5:35 EST.

    Well....silver is just silly.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2018 3:42PM

    nuttin

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    CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looking for opportunities to buy

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CommemKing said:
    Now below $1200/oz. Anybody changing their mindset towards it or are you still buying like mad? I think if I had the money I'd be buying it up.

    I am going to wait till gold hits$700.00 an ounce. :o

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yup, sure is. I want Mactokens !!! :p

    Timbuk3
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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BustyPotato said:

    @jwitten said:
    I'm drooling at the thought of raw BU St Gaudens on an ebay special at the same time of a bonus ebay bucks. That would let me pick some up for under $1,100 right now!

    I am pretty sure that bullion does not qualify for eBay Bucks unfortunately!

    Sure, bullion listed under the bullion category does not qualify. But St Gaudens listed under collectible coin category does. I've been earning ebay bucks on them ever since ebay bucks started.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 32,541 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold isn't just a hedge against inflation, it's a hedge against uncertainty.

    Right now things seem pretty "certain" out there which doesn't bode well for the price of gold.

    I mean other than the usual regional hot spots, I don't think the US, Russia or China have any thoughts whatsoever about pressing the nuclear button against each other. And even some long time enemies have at least been communicating with each other, such as the US and North Korea.

    Of course things can change in an instant, but overall it's pretty calm out there, and I just don't see that changing for now.

    So in my opinion, gold prices will continue to fall. Gold below $1000 wouldn't surprise me in the least.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Elemint said:

    Whatever price gold is at, there will only be more of it as time goes on.

    http://www.onlygold.com/Info/All-The-Gold-In-The-World.asp

    That infographic lacks context...Warren Buffet has also said that he never would own gold, it doesn't generate cash like the investable companies he focuses on. See @RogerB 's post on AT&T.

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    When solid companies such as AT&T have a dividend yield of 6.20% -- and preferential tax rates -- why bother with a bank CD except for the emergency cash?

    AT&T is down almost 20% from its 52 week high so if you bought it at the high it will take 3 3/4 years of dividends to break even. Now if you bought it at its 52 week low a couple of weeks ago then that's another story.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 9,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2018 6:48PM

    The lower precious metals prices dragging down the market. I think it will crash further. Online and declining collector base contributing to bad shows. I bought some nice Gem MS65 NGC Peace dollars from large dealer (do biz with) at recent show at $75 each. Beautiful coins PQ with cartwheel Luster. This barely above what cost two people go out dinner probly par for Cali. Wb buying more especially if go down further.

    One has to wonder where bottom is.

    Investor
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    specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are people still buying gold? here at PNG day, YES!! We wholesaled a fortune worth of soup to nuts gold at strong prices.

    never saw anyone really stop buying gold in the last decade of swings

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2018 7:00PM

    @tommy44 said:

    @RogerB said:
    When solid companies such as AT&T have a dividend yield of 6.20% -- and preferential tax rates -- why bother with a bank CD except for the emergency cash?

    AT&T is down almost 20% from its 52 week high so if you bought it at the high it will take 3 3/4 years of dividends to break even. Now if you bought it at its 52 week low a couple of weeks ago then that's another story.

    There is always "another story" with active investments. Trying to recover equity through dividends is false methodology. A dividend is not equity - it is a distribution of profit. Even at AT&T's 52 week high ($38.94), you would be earning 5.1% --still be far ahead of any bank return, although as the share price declined you would be 'locked in' at this rate.

    Gold standard era bankers had a common saying: "Gold is an expense." Another was "Gold earns no interest." This idea is why banks resisted having to hold gold as a reserve and much preferred holding government securities and state bonds.

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:

    @tommy44 said:

    @RogerB said:
    When solid companies such as AT&T have a dividend yield of 6.20% -- and preferential tax rates -- why bother with a bank CD except for the emergency cash?

    AT&T is down almost 20% from its 52 week high so if you bought it at the high it will take 3 3/4 years of dividends to break even. Now if you bought it at its 52 week low a couple of weeks ago then that's another story.

    There is always "another story" with active investments. Trying to recover equity through dividends is false methodology. A dividend is not equity - it is a distribution of profit. Even at AT&T's 52 week high ($38.94), you would be earning 5.1% --still be far ahead of any bank return, although as the share price declined you would be 'locked in' at this rate.

    Gold standard era bankers had a common saying: "Gold is an expense." Another was "Gold earns no interest." This idea is why banks resisted having to hold gold as a reserve and much preferred holding government securities and state bonds.

    I hear you Roger, and agree with you. In fact AT&T is a stock that makes up a part of my dividend paying core holdings and I'm earning over 8% on my original cost. I'm just saying that sometimes it does matter when someone takes a position, especially in a retirement account when it goes down considerably at the same time they are taking a year end later in life required minimum distribution based on the value of that equity at the beginning of the year.

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

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